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  • Batman: The Animated Series

    Nocturna
  • When: During season two production
  • Source: Modern Masters page 46
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Oh, yeah. That storyline in the comics was a really long, drawn out, soap operish kind of thing, and we were going to do at most a two-parter with it, trying to condense the best parts of those comics into one finite story. We never got far with it, because we knew that it was going to be tricky. We called up Fox and said, "We're thinking about doing this story, blah, blah, blah," and the minute we said vampires they said no. "Well what if we--?" "No." [laughter] "What if we never see fangs?" "No." "What if when Nocturna bites Batman it's all in the shadows?" "No. No, vampires, period." "What that's one not worth doing then."
  • Summary: The episode was canceled after Fox censors objected to the storyline, which would have involved Batman being turned into a vampire and craving human blood.
  • Source: World's Finest Backstage Alan Burnett Interview
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: "We also wanted to do a Nocturna story - Bruce had drawn a hot model of her - but she's a vampire, which would've involved bloodletting, which was a huge no-no for kids TV.
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Summary: What stories didn't they get to do? One idea was a vampire story with Nocturna from the comics. The idea was that that she bites Batman and next morning Alfred comes in and pulls the curtain and Bruce's skin starts to bubble and burn...but Fox said "No vampires."
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: At the conclusion of the first episode of a proposed two-parter, Batman would return home after fighting the female vampire Nocturna. Come morning, when the sunlight fell on Bruce's legs, they'd start to smoke! Both Fox and WB said no way vampires could be on Saturday mornings, let alone their main character become one.
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 21
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: The one that's kind of the famous one is the female vampire story. At that time, vampires were just absolutely forbidden in children's programming. For whatever reason, they just said, "Vampires are off-limits. You cannot do vampires." There was a character that Doug Moench had created for the comics, named Nocturna. I don't think that she was actually a vampire but she was definitely a vampire type. I really wanted to do something with that character. I don't remember which writer I was just kind of banging ideas around with, I don't know if it was Paul or Alan or whoever, but I kind of came up with a quick rough sketch for a Batman/vampire story with Nocturna. Alan verbally pitched it to Fox, and they just said, "Nope. What else you got?" Just literally, flat-out "No." So... okay. "Well, what if it was... ?" We came up with all kinds of rationalizations. And they said, "Nope. Flat-out no. No vampires. You can't do it." So that was it. It wasn't like "Oh, The Great Unmade Episode." We just kind of had a notion. We didn't actually have the whole story worked out or anything. But at the same time, we were kinda like, "Aw, that's disappointing."

    The Creeper
  • Source: Batman Animated, Modern Masters page 46
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Yeah, the Creeper show just didn't gel that first time around. We went back and forth on it, and a number of writers took a stab at it. It just never got to a point where we all felt happy with it, so we just dropped it.

    Enemy Ace
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: Originally, there was a plan to show Ra's al Ghul in three time periods -- fighting Jonah Hex in the old west, Enemy Ace in World War I and Batman in the present. The creators couldn't find room for Enemy Ace, and instead just went with Hex in "Showdown"

    Cavalier
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: We've thought about using the Cavalier, and will probably get around to telling his story sooner or later

    Black Canary vs. Catwoman
  • Source: Toonzone November 27, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Quote: ....as for that old never-produced catwoman vs. black canary BTAS story, it never got past the "vaguely-talking-about-the-possibility" stage, nothing was ever even set down on paper...
  • Source: Robin section of "Batman Animated"
  • Quote: A potentially intriguing Catwoman/Black Canary team-up was interrupted in midpitch to the network by their demand, "Where's Robin?" When the writers asked if they could omit Robin from just this one episode, Fox obliged by omitting the entire story.
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: There was a fun Black Canary/Catwoman story we really wanted to do, but the network really wanted to see more Robin episodes, and since there was no place for Robin in that one story, they torpedoed the premise.

    Riddler stories
  • Source: Riddler section of "Batman Animated"
  • Quote: There at least half a dozen full or partially completed stories in our dead script file that proved ultimately too complex or too silly to produce. Silent Night
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage Alan Burnett
  • Quote: At one point we wanted to do a story without dialogue - "Silent Knight" we called it. Never happened
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Summary: On a different note, Burnett wanted to do a "Silent Knight" story with no dialogue, based on Neal Adams' "The Silent Night of the Batman." They were later able to do something similar with the Batman/Catwoman short "Chase Me".

    Morpheus and Death from Neil Gaiman's Sandman
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Summary: Dini said they had an idea for doing a dream-like Sandman-type story with Morpheus and Death, with Batman stuck between life and death. They pitched to Neil Gaiman, who liked it, but Burnett thought it was too metaphysical. "I would do anything with Paul," Burnett said. "I'd give him as much rope as he wanted - and he'd come in and say 'I have this idea about Harley and ivy together,' and I'd say, 'Go!'" However, he added that they had rules in beginning: "No ghosts, and no Humanitas Awards." (i.e., no Very Special Episodes about drugs and alcohol). "With Ra's al Guhl, we got into that mystic area a bit".
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Quote: I had an idea for a Sandman story that never happened, though I did depict it in my book Dark Night, so fans did get a sense of what it would have been like.

    David Wise pitch
  • Link: TMNT Website
  • Summary: Pitched a story but was deemed too dark

    "The Count and The Countess"
  • Source: Animato Magazine circa 1994
  • Summary: Originally this production number was assigned to an episode entitled 'The Count and the Countess.' Producer Timm sent it to a Japanese studio for complete preproduction work as an experiment. He thought it would free up the in-house staff's time for better shows. The overseas studio took months to produce even character designs and a partial storyboard, and those were drawn in a style too off-model to be useable. Production on the first season was nearing an end and with a troubled script and unacceptable preproduction work, the episode was killed. When "See No Evil" was completed (the 57th or 58th show finished), it was assigned the lower production number left empty.

    "The Midnight Hour"
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Quote: I wrote "The Midnight Hour" during the second season of Batman: The Animated Series. It was based loosely on an issue of a DC Comics series named Teen Titans Spotlight which I wrote back in 1987 (#14, spotlighting Nightwing, titled "Night Of the Dragon"). After I wrote it, the decision was made that we had already done the "tension between Robin and Batman" riff enough in previous episodes, so this script was never produced. Which I wasn't too happy about at the time, but these things happen in TV Land. I've always been rather fond of the script, however..."

    "Mind Games"
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Quote: written by Len Wein and myself during the second season as a sequel to the episode "The Strange Secret Of Bruce Wayne". It was, I thought, a good script that never got a fair chance, since nobody on staff particularly liked Hugo Strange as a villain. While I agree that the good doctor isn't one of the more stellar members of the Rogues' Gallery, I thought the concept of Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson forgetting that they're Batman and Robin had both comedic and dramatic potential. Here's your chance to see if I'm right.

    "Vigil"
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Quote: This story was developed by Martin Pasko, another one of the B:TAS story editors, and myself in May of 1993. I honestly don't remember the reason it never went to script -- I think the network was leary of Batman appearing too weak. I don't agree, obviously -- I think, all modesty aside, that it would've been a terrific episode. Oh well ...

    Poison Ivy enslaving Swamp Thing
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: I really wanted to do a story about Poison Ivy enslaving Swamp Thing and forcing him to fight Batman, but the rights to Swamp Thing were tied up elsewhere at that time. I was able to eventually do a version of that story in Justice League Action.

    The gun that killed the Waynes
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: [There was] a story about the history of the gun that killed Bruce's parents that again was too strong.

    "Lost" radio play pilot cira 1942
  • Source: Paul Dini Tweet
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: I once pitched the idea of doing a "lost" Batman radio pilot circa 1942 with the original animated series voices, but it didn't go for a variety of internal reasons (cost, music rights, distribution, etc.).
  • Link: Paul Dini Tweet

    Catwoman Spinoff Series
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Source: Batman Animated
  • When: 1990s
  • Summary: Once Batman: The Animated Series proved to be a critically-acclaimed, high-rated hit, the Fox network approached Bruce Timm to create a spin-off series focusing on Catwoman in the early 1990s. Only a small amount of production work was done before the idea was eventually scrapped.
  • Source: Modern Masters page 47
  • Summary: Timm never pitched it

    Robin Spinoff Series
  • Source: Batman Animated, Modern Masters page 47
  • Summary: Success of Batman: The Animated Series, Fox approached for a Robin spin-off, Glen Murakami did conceptual drawings of a slightly younger, more energetic Robin. Didn't terribly appeal to Timm at the time.

    Trial Direct to Video Movie
  • Source: Modern Masters page 49
  • Summary: All the villains like in the Batman 1966 movie. Alan Burnett shot it down, might have had germ of idea for Mask of the Phantasm, idea later used in "Trial"
  • Source: Animato magazine (1994)
  • Summary: The producers were, in fact, planning to make it longer... it was the story they originally wanted for their feature-length film. But "we figured we could do all the cool bits we wanted to do in a half hour," says Paul Dini.

  • Superman: The Animated Series

    Captain Marvel
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: "An episode set on the Justice League satellite has been tossed around. An early idea was to begin the episode with Superman and Captain Marvel arm wrestling to pass the time, but Burnett's eventual Aquaman episode developed first."

    Fish Story
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: The climax was Luthor setting off a bomb on the ocean floor which opens a five-mile crack. All the water in the ocean pours in, and coastlines recede by abut ten miles. As a backlash, this big tidal wave would come in and wipe out the city--and our budget for the year.

    Justice League (Lightray, Supergirl, Black Lightning, The Question, Nightshade, Vixen, Dr. Fate, Mr. Miracle)
  • Source: Wizard (1998)
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Source: Modern Masters p 54
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: When we were developing the Superman show, we were playing around with different ideas. So at one point we said, 'Well, what if we did Superman and the Justice League, where every episode would have Superman in it, plus two other members of the Justice League?' I sat down and did a bunch of different characters, even some that had never even been in the JLA, like the Question. We tried to put in as weird a mix as we could so it wasn't just Superman, Aquaman, Hawkman...Batman wasn't going to be part of it. He already had his own show. Jenette Kahn (DC President and Editor-In-Chief) put a stop to it. She thought it was not a good idea, since we were just reintroducing Superman to the audience, and she thought teaming him up with the JLA would [be] diminishing to him. We all kind of agreed with that, so we dropped the JLA idea
  • Source: Modern Masters p 54
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: We were toying with the idea of introducing all the characters that would be in the JLA one by one in Superman, then the last episode ever would be the formation of the JLA. We don't know if we're going to have another season on Superman at this point, but if we do, I'm sure we're going to be introducing them. "[However], the powers that be make the final decision. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, just with the mix of programming that the network wants. So this is just to say that JLA is still on the back burner. Someday, if we continue having success with Superman, Batman, and all the [other] superhero shows, someday JLA will be done. But just not right now.
  • Summary: The pitch was ultimate put on the backburner when development on Batman Beyond began in earnest.

    Superman and Lashina's son
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: February 26, 2017
  • Summary: Superman and Lashina were going to have a son on "Batman Beyond". As it turned out, they originally planned on continuing this story in "Batman Beyond" by revealing that Lashina had a son who ended up deposing Darkseid and declaring war on Earth. Lashina fled to Earth to warn the Justice League, and she also told Superman that the new ruler of Darkseid was THEIR son! Superman has knocked her up during his time on Apokolips.

    Lobo Spinoff Series
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Production work was already well underway before Kids'WB! and Cartoon Network ultimate decided not to proceed with an animated series based on the ultra-violent DC Comics character Lobo. Steven E. Gordon did design work for the series' pitch, though concerns over the nature of the character ultimate led to the project never getting the green light. Production for this series took place in the mid/late 1990s.

  • The New Batman Adventures

    Nocturna (2nd attempt)
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Quote: We'd like to use her, but the network (WB Network) still says 'no' to vampires.

    Teen Titans Spinoff Series
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Summary: Very few details are available for this abandoned project. The Teen Titans animated series would have been loosely based in the same universe as Superman: The Animated Series and Batman: The Animated Series, with ties to connect the series together. Little production work is available, with the artwork above created by Tommy Tejeda during the mid/late 1990s
  • Roll Call: Flash, Aquaman, Robin, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Aqualad Kid Flash

    Catwoman and Nightwing Spinoff Series
    Birds of Prey Spinoff Series
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: The idea of a Catwoman-centric spin-off was reconsidered years later when a Catwoman/Nightwing series was pitched, in addition to a Birds of Prey animated series starring a collection of DC Comics' top female characters.
  • Link: Flickering Myth
  • Posted: July 26, 2017
  • Summary: around the time of TNBA, they talked about adapting a comic called Nightfall that detailed Dick's transition from Robin to Nightwing.

  • Batman Beyond

    Dana dumps Terry
  • Posted: May 3, 2007
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "actually, that was never a part of "rats!", it was a whole nuther episode that didn't get made...it was intended to counter-act the "terry ditches dana to fight crime" trend, (see "splicers" as well as "rats!").... murakami-san's idea was to throw a bunch of crime-fightin' obstacles in terry's way as he tries to keep his date with dana, but he actually does get there on time at the end...alan burnett wanted to change the story so that terry DOESN'T get there on time, dana dumps him, and terry ends up with max on the rebound....since we couldn't agree on it, we just killed the story dead...."

    AI Version of Joker
  • Posted: March 20, 2018
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: "Actually Fun Haus was a AI version of Joker I proposed for Batman Beyond when we were developing the show (in a hurry). Inque, Blight and False Face did make it though. Later I brushed it off for b:tbatb when we couldn't use toy man."

    Batman Beyond sequel series on Mars
  • Summary: As S:TAS and TNBA winded down, Kids WB! asked if they could do a Batman trains the Junior Justice League. Batman Beyond was greenlit instead. As Batman Beyond winded down, Kids WB! asked again about Batman trains Junior Justice League. Alan Burnett and Hilary Bader come up with Batman Beyond sequel pitch that took place on Mars. Bruce Timm, Glen Murakami, Alan Burnett, and Adam Warren came up with Batman Anime pitch. Then a Justice League/Teen Titans hybrid pitch with a short reel was made (on Justice League Season 1 DVD set). Bruce Timm talks to Mike Lazzo on the phone, he greenlights Justice League without looking at the reel.
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: when BB was originally coming to a close, kids wb asked us if we had any ideas on how to do a more "kid-friendly" batman show...alan burnett and hilary bader worked up a (i kid you not) "batman on mars" pitch, which was basically just a continuation of BB...terry moves to a colony on a terraformed mars and has kid-friendly adventures there...i was really relieved when kwb showed no interest in it, as i just HATED the concept....
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 12, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it wasn't the "kiddie" aspect of BM ON MARS that bugged me....it was that it seemed to me to be just a random change of locale for no very good reason (leave alone the fact that i had serious qualms about mars being completely terraformed just 50 years from now)....it was both too much of a change in the BB paradigm, and also not ENOUGH of one, if that makes any sense... i couldn't see any appeal in it...if the mars colony architecture were still in the "frontier" stage (think ALIENS' pre-fab shack town), it just sounded drab and depressing....what kind of crime would terry fight there? rousting drunken settlers on saturday night? and if the colony were much more civilised and advanced, what makes it all that different from BBEYOND's neo-gotham? seemed kinda pontless to me... it felt to me like a general degradation of the BB concept with "desperation" scrawled over it...i would have preferred going the BATMANANIME route, if only because it would have been a whole new fresh start, with barely a tangential connection to the other series...yes, more than likely, it wouldn't have been a very good show...and it CERTAINLY wasn't aimed at our old audience, we knew they'd pretty much reject it out of hand...but remember, we were honestly trying to do a genuinely "kid-friendly" batman show, aimed squarely at the 6-11 year old demo, we were trying (for once) to create a show that didn't skew older....(unlike BBEYOND itself, which was SUPPOSED to be more "kid-friendly", but we knew from the get-go that it wasn't...)

    Batman Anime
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Source: Retro-Vision CD Rom Magazine #1, James Tucker circa 2004-05?
  • Quote: Development was done on a Batman Anime show that kind of reflects on what Teen Titans is now. And we developed a more youth-oriented version of Justice League. Thank God both of those projects never happened, although there's a tape out there of a very kiddified Justice League that included Robin and a teenage female version of Cyborg. It was our attempt to try and do something that wasn't as edgy or as dark as we would normally want to go. At the time, Kids' WB totally passed on the Batman Anime idea and we actually did test animation for the Justice League idea."
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: when we first started talking about JL, the powers that be felt that it should be pitched to kids wb first...knowing their preference for younger heroes, i was hesitant to go there, but we prepared test animation of the "female cyborg" character (glen's idea, if i remember right), and impulse too, i believe, just in case...the robin footage was just just clips from TNBA, i think.... anyhow, kids wb (thankfully, in retrospect!) passed on the BATMAN ANIME pitch...it was a VERY kiddified batman concept, but still not "pokemonized" enough for them....after the pitch meeting, the powers that be realized kids wb wasn't likely to go for JL, even with a couple of young ringers in the line-up, and we were given the go-ahead to pitch it to cartoon network...we cut the "jr. jl" clips from the presentation reel, and subsequently forgot all about 'em.... i have no idea where that footage is now, and it's probably no great loss.... as it turned out, cn never even saw the JL presentation reel, but bought the series just based on a single phone call....
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the "batman training the jr. jl" thing was just something that was verbally batted around five minutes before we came up with the BATMAN BEYOND concept in jaimie kellner's office..."batman anime" was a completely seperate concept developed by glen, alan, adam warren and me several years later...the "jl/titans hybrid" was a gimmick that we thought might make the jl concept more palatable to kids wb...the idea being that it would be a pretty straight "jl" show, but with a group of younger heroes also on the team, learning the ropes...sounds VERY "superfriends", don't it? and yes, batman would have been on the show...
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: so glen and i were mulling it over and took it as a challenge: was there a way to give kwb EXACTLY the kind of show they wanted, but still make it something that was freaky enough to be fun in its own right? we thought, "okay, rather than doing something that's just a 'baby-step' away from our previous shows, still tied to our direct continuity, etc, what if we do something that's REALLY whacked, that takes place SO far in the future, it's barely related to what we've done before"....("plausible deniability" played a factor here too)... "pokemon" was still super-hot at kwb, so we tried to combine elements of it and other "collect 'em all" anime shows ("cardcaptors", "digimon", etc) with traditional batman elements....we brought adam warren in to help develop it with us (he ended up doing most of the art for the pitch, too)...it took place hundreds of years from now, and revolved around the adventures of an all-new batman, robin and batgirl, all in their early teens....there was some kind of nano-disaster that re-wrote reality, re-creating the old bat-villain archetypes as nano-based monsters....the kids had a butler a.i. named "alpha-red" (that one was just so tacky, we HAD to do it) who also powered all their vehicles...kenner had been urging us for years to put a talking vehicle a la "knight rider" in one of our shows (they originally wanted us to put a "jor-el" voice chip in clark kent's sportscar in STAS, so he could converse with clark, brando-style), so the talking "alpha-red/batmobile" was a no-brainer....do i have to go on? anyhow, kenner LOVED the whole pitch, wanted to get started on the toy-line "yesterday!", but kwb thought it was still too "traditional", it wasn't "out of the box" enough..."batman's still too re-active...does he have to fight crime?" i pointed out that he would be fighting MONSTERS, not criminals.... "what if, instead of three kids who fight monsters, what if the three kids COMPETE about who gets to BE batman?" after a long moment of stunned silence i pointed out that if batman's not protecting the weak from the bad guys, be they monsters or criminals or aliens or what-have-you, then fundamentally, it just isn't "batman" AT ALL.....they allowed that there was probably some truth to that, asked us to give the whole thing some more thought, and invited us to come back and re-pitch it then.....the next day, i called mike lazzo at cn, pitched jl, he said "hell yeah!" and that was the end of BATMANIME...
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 12, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it felt to me like a general degradation of the BB concept with "desperation" scrawled over it...i would have preferred going the BATMANANIME route, if only because it would have been a whole new fresh start, with barely a tangential connection to the other series...yes, more than likely, it wouldn't have been a very good show...and it CERTAINLY wasn't aimed at our old audience, we knew they'd pretty much reject it out of hand...but remember, we were honestly trying to do a genuinely "kid-friendly" batman show, aimed squarely at the 6-11 year old demo, we were trying (for once) to create a show that didn't skew older....(unlike BBEYOND itself, which was SUPPOSED to be more "kid-friendly", but we knew from the get-go that it wasn't...)
  • Link: Fatman on Batman
  • Posted: July 12, 2012; 52:57-55:20
  • Summary: Fatman on Batman Episode 7 "Bruce Timm: The Batman of Batman Artists" - Podcast with Kevin Smith, Bruce Timm admits before Batman Beyond there was going to be a Batman series that would have been "Batman meets Power Rangers" that would have had a heavy anime influence. Hundreds of years in the future, an ancestor of Wayne, Consumer Products took Bruce aside and suggested pitching to Cartoon Network
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Summary:Timm also talked about this elsewhere and said it would've had a teen version of the Justice League. Alpha-Red, butler robot.an anime set in the far future with three kids who become the future equivalents of Batman, Robin and Batgirl. Timm was happy about the idea but Kid's WB rejected it and asked if it could instead be about kids competing to be the next Batman, since they wanted the tone to be more like Pokemon.

    Justice League Kids
  • Source: Comicology magazine, Bruce Timm, before Batman Beyond
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: That was something that was pitched to us; we didn't come up with that concept. We had a meeting, like, two years ago now, with Jamie Kellner, who's head of the WB network, and there was some concern that Batman had just been around a little bit too long in its current incarnation, even with the revamped look and everything. The shows did really, reall well ratings-wise, but [the WB execs] kinda felt that we'd been riding that train for a long time, and there was also a concern that the show was skewing a little bit older than they would've liked, because the advertising is aimed at children. So they were just talking about ways of freshening the show and [...one of the potential ideas] was [a] Batman and the junior Justice League, which we didn't like. "He'd be training Aquaman Jr. and Wonder Woman Jr. and...by the time we got to that one, our heads were spinning, and we were thinking, 'We don't want to do any of those. What do we do? We gotta come up with something quick.' And, kind of on the spur of the moment, I said, 'What if we set [a Batman series] in the future?"
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  • Source: Zap2it interview link, after Batman Beyond, Bruce Timm
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: What [the WB network] was really interested in doing was Batman training a bunch of junior superheroes.
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Source: Paul Dini interview on unknown website
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: Everybody wants to see [a straight Justice League adaptation] and we would like to do it, but the suits at the network keep pounding it in that it's the Kids' WB! If we were to do Justice League, all they see is a bunch of adults in suits
  • Summary: This desire for a "Justice League Kids" show was largely due to corporate thinking, as mentioned by Paul Dini
  • Source: Retro-Vision CD Rom Magazine #1, James Tucker circa 2004-05?
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: Development was done on a Batman Anime show that kind of reflects on what Teen Titans is now. And we developed a more youth-oriented version of Justice League. Thank God both of those projects never happened, although there's a tape out there of a very kiddified Justice League that included Robin and a teenage female version of Cyborg. It was our attempt to try and do something that wasn't as edgy or as dark as we would normally want to go. At the time, Kids' WB totally passed on the Batman Anime idea and we actually did test animation for the Justice League idea."
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: when we first started talking about JL, the powers that be felt that it should be pitched to kids wb first...knowing their preference for younger heroes, i was hesitant to go there, but we prepared test animation of the "female cyborg" character (glen's idea, if i remember right), and impulse too, i believe, just in case...the robin footage was just just clips from TNBA, i think.... anyhow, kids wb (thankfully, in retrospect!) passed on the BATMAN ANIME pitch...it was a VERY kiddified batman concept, but still not "pokemonized" enough for them....after the pitch meeting, the powers that be realized kids wb wasn't likely to go for JL, even with a couple of young ringers in the line-up, and we were given the go-ahead to pitch it to cartoon network...we cut the "jr. jl" clips from the presentation reel, and subsequently forgot all about 'em.... i have no idea where that footage is now, and it's probably no great loss.... as it turned out, cn never even saw the JL presentation reel, but bought the series just based on a single phone call....
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the "batman training the jr. jl" thing was just something that was verbally batted around five minutes before we came up with the BATMAN BEYOND concept in jaimie kellner's office..."batman anime" was a completely seperate concept developed by glen, alan, adam warren and me several years later...the "jl/titans hybrid" was a gimmick that we thought might make the jl concept more palatable to kids wb...the idea being that it would be a pretty straight "jl" show, but with a group of younger heroes also on the team, learning the ropes...sounds VERY "superfriends", don't it? and yes, batman would have been on the show...
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: June 26, 2012
  • SUmmary: stills of footage


  • Justice League

    Captain Marvel in Hereafter
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: May 15, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: that's exactly right, it was just a vague notion that got shot down before we could fully explore it....chances are, that part of "hereafter" would have been played much "straighter" than the deliberately off-kilter lobo version... but actually, i really like how lobo throws a jarring left-turn/ plot-twist/monkey-wrench into the story....in retrospect, capt. marvel seems kinda obvious and ho-hum in the context of a "death of superman" story.... also, however that story would have turned out with capt. marvel in it, it's very likely that we would have "shot our marvel wad", and as a result, "clash" would probably never have come about, at all....so, once again, dc said "no, you can't do that" and we ended up better off all around....funny how that always seems to happen....
    Poison Ivy
  • Source: Starlog
  • Link: Watchtower website
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: The writers have pitched Poison Ivy stories, but I don't want to do them yet. I want to try something different for as long as we can, before we go back to the Batman well.
    Kurt Busiek
  • Link: Ask the Maestro thread
  • Who: Kurt Busiek
  • Posted: January 27, 2006
  • Quote: Question "I have a question for the Maestro -- was Mr. Busiek ever considered by the JLU production team to write an episode?" Answer: Yes. Answer: [Kurt Busiek stepped in and also answered] They were even interested in one of my pitches -- but I just didn't have the time or energy to follow up.
    Firestorm
  • Link: Ask the Maestro thread
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: July 7, 2006
  • Question: "And Firestorm was forbidden by DC, or just didn't make it into an episode?" Answer: We just never came up with a good script for him
    Swamp Thing, Tefe, Animal Man, Black Lightning, Phantom Stranger, Spectre, Blue Beetle
  • Link: Watchtower website
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Answer: [For example], I'd love to use Swamp Thing but he's Vertigo. We were talking about doing Tefe [Swamp Thing's daughter] at one point, but we were told Vertigo was off-limits. [...] We don't have the rights to Animal Man [and] Black Lightning isn't available to us. [...] I was going to use the Phantom Stranger in an episode, but we couldn't get the rights. It was probably a Vertigo thing [...and] I'd love to do the Spectre, but I think we got a no-go on him early on, so I never bothered to try and come up with something for him. Maybe someday [...Finally, with Blue Beetle] we were told it was a potential issue with the radio show rights owners. It just wasn't worth opening the can of worms.
    Spectre
  • Link: Delphi Forums, Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 1, 2005 4:51 am
  • Question: "which character that DC wouldnt allow you to use in JLU would you have wanted to use the most?" Answer: I did always want to do a Spectre episode, but I never came up with anything that excited the rest of the team enough.
    Justice Society of America
  • Link: Lamphost Forums, Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun September 5, 2010 2:07 pm
  • Quote: Question "What ideas were you guys throwing around regarding it? I know on the Justice League commentary you mentioned that one idea was having the original seven including Barry Allen. Had you guys thought about a full roster JSA-type episode?" Answer: The original seven idea was to do an entire episode, including credits, as if they had always been the JLA, and at the end, have then=m save the multiverse, and reveal that one of the worlds they saved was "our" Justice League.
  • Link: Lamphost Forums, Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Mon September 06, 2010 11:46 am
  • Quote: Question "wow. for which season was that idea originally?" Answer: We were talking about it as early as season 2 of Justice League. Maybe before, I think it was Bruce's idea.

  • Static Shock

    Black Lightning
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun December 06, 2009 1:23 pm
  • Quote: Question "Was Soul Power from the Static episode "Blast from the Past" a homage to Black Lighting?" Answer: Yes. It was originally planned as a team-up, but we couldn't get permission to use Black lightning, so we ended up doing something quite different from what we had planned.
    LL COOL J
  • Link: vHive Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: December 7, 2005
  • Quote: Question "Was it ever pitched to have a more adulterated rapper such as fifty cent or someone in static to be a villain?, i know there was lil romeo but he wasnt a villain and deffiently couldnt be considered adulterated." Answer: I do not think "adulterated" means what you think it does. The only other rapper I remember being pitched for Static was LL Cool J, which sounded like a fun idea to me. The network passed on the pitch, though.
    Milestone Heroes
  • Link: vHive Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: January 22, 2006
  • Quote: Question "Why didn't Hardware, Icon, or Rocket ever appear on Static Shock?" Answer: WE toyed with all of them but the Network wanted them to be teens.
    Teen Titans crossover
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun August 01, 2010 7:55 pm
  • Quote: Question "My question is this, you and the other incredibly talented contributors on Static Shock obviously had an idea of what you wanted to do with an apparent Titans in the DCAU (evidenced in references made in "Hard as Nails" and "Romeo in the Mix")... so who exactly would comprise this team in YOUR mind?" Answer: We had no idea. At the time, the plan was to have Titans cross over with Static shock, but we needed the episode before the Titans show would have been ready. Someone suggested Justice League instead, and we were off to the races.
    Gear spin off series pitch
  • Link: Delphi Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 22, 2005 2:47 am
  • Quote: Question "Do you think that Gear could carry his own super hero show?" Answer: Yes. I actually pitched one a couple years ago.
    New Static Shock series Pitch
  • Link: Delphi Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 28, 2005 9:28 am
  • Quote: Question "Have you ever pitched static as being with she-bang and gear in a continuation to static shock, like what happended to batman after batman the animated series into batman gotham knights?" Answer: Yes
    Adventures-style Comic Book pitch
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: July 21, 2004
  • Quote: Question "They never did get around to a "Static Shock Adventures" book, and that's a shame. I'd have bought it." Answer: Nope. I begged DC to let us do an Adventures-style book (it's their choice, contractually). They said, "no." Repeatedly. I ask them pretty much every three months. I'll try again at San Diego.

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 1

    Spectre and Phantom Stranger
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 22, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the reason behind the spectre and phantom stranger's JLU absence has nothing to do with religious issues or anything of that sort....more of that fan speculation-turned-rumor-turned-accepted lore that i love so much....it's simply that dc said we couldn't use 'em, period...

    Firestorm
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: April 2, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: i think i've mentioned this before, we definitely WERE planning on using him in JLU, but it just never worked out...."the greatest story never told" started as a firestorm story, but as we were breaking the story it became more and more comedic, and we soon realised it would work better with booster gold in the lead.... and actually, we had started with a quite different story altogether that we ended up killing at the outline stage...it was going to be firestorm's origin, with a jl vs. clayface "a-plot" mixed in, but it just wasn't working, so we threw it out and started over from scratch....after several more false starts we wound up with the "greatest story" plot, and then had to replace firestorm to make it work....
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: April 2, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: and THAT'S why he never showed up at all, not even as a "seat-filler / red-shirt" hero -- james and i both did a few firestorm sketches and quickly decided WE didn't really care a whole lot for his costume either! if his story had actually gone through, we would have HAD to find a way to transform the basic design into something we found visually appealing, but still retained some of the original motifs...for sure we would have kept the flaming head (you can never have too many of those) and DEFINITELY would have lost the puffy sleeves.... but when we killed the story, we realised we already had enough "background" heroes, and didn't need to bother cracking the "firestorm" code...
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: April 3, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: firestorm's ongoing "one-sided dialogue" with prof. stein was, of course, one of the things we liked the most about the character, the one signature gimmick that makes him unique (among dc heroes anyway -- the gimmick is obviously a blatant lift from mar-vell / rick jones)...but it made the story-break process even harder and more complex -- setting up ronnie raymond's back-story, introducing the professor, showing the accident that fused 'em, showing him discovering his new powers and dealing with the prof.'s disembodied voice in his head PLUS having a real JL action "a-plot", and ending with firestorm officially joining the JLU -- that's a helluva lot of story to cram into 22 minutes... one of the "false start" story ideas we toyed with for a hot minute: we were thinking of doing a story with firestorm and professor stein narrating the entire episode in "director's commentary" style.....but soon realised it would be just way too confusing to a non-geek audience, without having already set-up the firestorm gimmick in a previous episode...not to mention having TWO disembodied voices narrating the story would almost completely cancel out the effectiveness of prof. stein's usual presence...

    "Misfortune Cookies"
  • Link: J.M. DeMatteis Blogspot
  • Posted: November 17, 2017
  • Quote: I scripted seven episodes of that series-including an adaptation of Alan Moore's classic "For The Man Who Has Everything"-but there was almost an eighth. One day, way back in 2004, I got a call from two of the show's incredibly talented writer-producers, Stan Berkowitz and Dwayne McDuffie. They'd cooked up an idea-based, in part, on the Oreo addiction Keith Giffen and I had given to J'onn J'onnzz during our original Justice League International run-and wanted me to develop it into an outline. At first I thought they were putting me on-the story, especially J'onn's arc, was pretty outrageous, even by Giffen-DeMatteis standards-but they were dead serious. I remember sitting in my office taking notes as the two of them laid out the beats of the wonderful, and very funny, plot-which, had the episode made it to air, could have been the JLU equivalent of Star Trek's "The Trouble with Tribbles."
    I say "could have been" because, after I fleshed out Stan and Dwayne's tale and wrote a detailed outline (trying to do justice to the brilliant absurdity of their idea), the Powers That Be gave "Misfortune Cookies" a very enthusiastic thumbs-down and the story was consigned to limbo-and that's where it's been for the past decade.

    Hal Jordan in Alternate Universe Story
  • Link: vHive Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: January 2, 2006
  • Quote: Question "Is Hal Jordan off limits to Justice League Unlimited and does that character firmly fits into the show's contiunity?" Answer: The one time we asked to use him, DC said "yes." I have no interest in using him again (with the exception of one alternate universe story we talked seriously about doing this season but decided against) but I can't speak for Bruce and James.

    Green Lantern Hirunan
  • Link: Tommy Tejada Blog
  • Posted: Januaey 25, 2007
  • Quote: I created this one as an incidental Green Lantern Corps character for a Justice League episode. To my pleasant surprise WB used this sexy Green Lantern on other episodes also as an incidental character.

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 2

    Birds of Prey
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: December 6, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: as mentioned already, we planned to use barb in a "birds of prey" one-off, which, when we found out we couldn't use her, got completely re-worked into the much better "double date"....other than that, we had no plans to use BTAS characters in JLU (other than the occasional villain cameo)....there aren't any BTAS-centric stories we were dying to tell that we couldn't because of the embargo....
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: May 2, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: nightwing only had a TINY cameo in the original premise... short version: barbara gets injured, batman says "rest up, get well, NO CRIME-FIGHTING, YOUNG LADY" -- she's not just in a wheelchair, she's in traction -- barbara gets restless, defies batman's orders and starts working on this week's nefarious plot on her computer (some nonsense about kirk langstrom creating an army of man-bats) -- she realizes she needs "mobile" help, calls dick grayson -- cut to dick's apartment, where he's making out like crazy with some gorgeous new gal, the phone rings and rings and rings, he distractedly picks up the phone (still making out), barbara starts to talk, he doesn't even hear her, just drops the phone back on the cradle, barbara gives her phone the stink-eye and growls, "DICK!" (at which point barbara recruits black canary and huntress to be her "field agents" and she herself assumes a temporary "oracle"-type role -- the army of man-bats gets their butts soundly kicked, yada yada yada....and for the record, gail simone had nothing whatsoever to do with that version of the story....all in all, "double date" is a MUCH better story)

    The Outsiders
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: October 9, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: sorry, wrong again...we DID discuss the possibility of batman leaving the league (or even going over to cadmus' side) but dismissed it right away.... we had the luthor/brainiac thing planned pretty early on, definitely by the time we did "doomsday sanction" (why else would we have spent so much time in that ep setting up his presidential bid?)...
  • Link: vHive Forum Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: January 16, 2006
  • Quote: Question "I think you or Bruce Timm mentioned at one point that the Outsiders were going to show up in what would become the Cadmus arc as a little group Batman put together. Why was that plan nixed, and who might the Outsiders have included?" Answer: We briefly discussed having Batman leave the League and starting his own team of "Outsiders" to combat the League, if need be. It didn't go very far.

    Teen Titans
  • Link: Delphi Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 6, 2005 7:48 pm
  • Quote: Question "Are there any plans to have a JLU/Teen Titans team-up either on tv or on a dvd?" Answer: We talked about it a couple of years ago, but couldn't figure out how to do it.

    Clark reveals his secret in Divided We Fall
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 22, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: yeah, we originally wanted to have superman finally reveal his secret i.d. to lois at the end, woulda been a nice little bit of fanservice, a little last-minute icing on the cake, but it was OFF-POINT....clark humbly agreeing with lois that superman is "only human" (therefore allowed to make mistakes as long as he learns from them, and never loses touch with that humanity) is EXACTLY the correct way to end the episode (and the season)...

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 3

    Aquaman in Another Shore
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 22, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: another example: aquaman was going to be the main-focus character in "to another shore" in its earliest embryonic form...when we were forced to replace him with diana, BANG, suddenly the story became something richer, deeper...we added j'onn's sub-plot at that point (which wouldn't even have OCCURRED to us with aquaman at center stage), and long story short, that episode sings a much sweeter song than if the "aquaman embargo" hadn't been in place....likewise, i highly doubt dc would have let us kill off black manta later on in "dead reckoning", but his replacement doppleganger devil-ray was fair game....

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 4 Ideas

    Journey through Time
  • Source: Toyfare #108, Page 61
  • Quote: We had talked just briefly about doing 12 more episodes. We had an idea of doing something that would be a season-long journey through time. It would give us a chance to revisit a bunch of DC hereoes from different periods. We'd go to the far future and see the Atomic Knights, have an adventure with Enemy Ace uring World War I, or do something again in the Old West. And there was also talk of possibly doing a while season taking place in the Batman Beyond universe.
    James Tucker's Idea
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Fri December 24, 2010 4:02 pm
  • Quote: Question "I herd you thought it was going to end at Justice League, then they wanted JLU, then you thought they only wanted the CADMUS arc, then they said they wanted 13 more episodes. So, I was wondering if you thought it was possible they would want more episodes after the last episode?" Answer: The thought had occurred to me. James Tucker had a pretty strong idea where he wanted to go if we continued, and I planted the seeds of his proposed season in "Alive."

  • Timmverse Movies

    Batman vs. Bane Direct to Video Movie
  • Source: Batman Animated
  • Summary: Scrapped idea for Sub-Zero
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 20-21
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Quote: So we wrote this terrific script. I mean, I really loved this story. And there was this lovely B-plot going on between Dick Grayson and Barbara. Bruce asks Dick, "Does she know?" You're going to tell her the truth about yourself. It wouldn't be fair to her. She has to know you're going out and fighting crime at night and you might get yourself killed." So that was all building underneath. And somewhere in the middle of all that we got called over to Warner Home Video. I remember this meeting very well. They said, "Hey, the studio just signed Arnold Schwarzenegger to do the Batman movie, and he's going to play Mr. Freeze, so that's who we want the villain to be." I said, "We already wrote it with Bane." One of the other guys in the room said, "Well, can't you just use your word processor, and where it says 'Bane' just switch it with 'Mr. Freeze'?" I looked at him and said, "It doesn't work that way. He's a completely different villain." I shook my head, "Never mind, we'll just write a new script."

    Batman: Arkham Direct to Video Movie
  • When: Late 90s
  • Summary: Originally scheduled to be a follow-up to the Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub-Zero animated movie, Batman: Arkham was shelved to make way for the acclaimed Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker direct-to-video title. The plot for this animated feature involved Batman and Robin facing off against a collection of Arkham escapees, in addition to Bruce Wayne finding himself falling in love with a new love interest. Production on this ultimate scrapped feature was so far along that extensive casting was already completed. While all of the Batman: The Animated Series voice cast would have returned, Angie Harmon was already hired to voice Bruce's love interest before the movie was ultimate cancelled. Designer Steven E. Gordon did character design for the feature, with Boyd Kirkland attached to write and direct.
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: February 12, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: actually, i seem to remember the "virtual joker" being in the "BATMAN : ASYLUM" script that boyd kirkland and randy rogel wrote.....but i could be wrong...

    Catwoman Beyond Direct to Video Movie
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: July 19, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the catwoman bbeyond dtv thing was NEVER scripted, it never went beyond a 45-minute impromptu plotting session between glen murakami and myself....nothing was ever even written down on it.... in its original (if nebulous) form, it was too similar to both "mask of the phantasm" and "return of the joker" in several key plot-structure points....but even before we had a chance to iron any of that out, the home video dept's unbridled apathy towards any more bbeyond dtv projects made the whole thing moot.... as we were plotting out the tail end of the current JLU season, i brought the basic idea up to my co-producers, we quickly realized how it could make a really nifty off-the-wall "bonus" episode (as merlin missy correctly surmised, we did have BUFFY's "restless" episode in mind, season-finale-wise....also, the "flashback" structure was very much inspired by tim minnear's excellent FIREFLY episode "out of gas", as well as the "three cathedrals" episode of WEST WING)....it actually works WAY better as the coda to this season than as a stand-alone bbeyond film, in fact we were able to solve a lot of of its inherent problems by grafting it onto the cadmus plot.... [However], as we were plotting out the tail end of the current JLU season, I brought the basic idea up to my co-producers, [and] we quickly realized how it could make a really nifty off-the-wall 'bonus' episode. [...] We did have Buffy's 'Restless' episode in mind, season finale-wise; also, the 'flashback' structure was very much inspired by Tim Minnear's excellent Firefly episode 'Out of Gas,' as well as the 'Three Cathedrals' episode of West Wing. It actually works way better as the coda to this season than as a stand-alone Batman Beyond film; in fact, we were able to solve a lot of its inherent problems by grafting it onto the Cadmus plot.
    "[In the Batman Beyond DTV], instead of Waller, Selina Kyle herself was going to be the one who cloned Batman. Staying much closer to the 'Boys from Brazil' set-up, Selina hedged her bets and created lots of Bruce Wayne clones, and systematically murdered their parents when they reached the proper age. Most of them didn't become manic-depressive crime-fighters, only Terry and one other-a young boy she adopted and raised as her own son. There was going to be a creepy 'Manchurian Candidate' aspect to their relationship, with the aging (but still disturbingly kinda sexy) Selina coaxing the kid into becoming an uber-messed-up avenger of evil.
    "Selina's 'son' was going to be the main bad guy 'muscle' of the story-a twisted version of Terry / Bruce, with his own 'dark superhero' outfit and everything. The plan was for him to be bumping off criminals from the Batman Beyond Rogues Gallery, and possibly even an old-timer like Edward Nygma, thus setting the plot in motion (this part was always a bit too 'Phantasm' for me, but I did like the 'Manchurian Candidate'-ness of him).
    "This version of Selina had, at some point in the past, 'seen the light,' after years of Batman nagging her to use her talents to help people instead of just helping herself. She eventually realized he was right, but with 'born again' zeal, decided Batman himself didn't go far enough in punishing criminals; she needed a Batman who would help her eliminate criminals (i.e. kill them dead) and set about creating one. These were going to be 'true' Bruce Wayne clones, not nano-engineered 'sons'; in fact, that had a whole lot of problems built into it, which we would have had to figure out if we'd ever gotten a greenlight:
    If Terry were an exact clone of Bruce, why didn't Bruce recognize him immediately when he showed up fighting Jokerz outside his gate?
    Since Lil' Matt is patently identical to Terry, how could he also be a clone? Wouldn't make sense for Selina to have artificially inseminated Mary McGinnis twice, five or so years apart.
    How did Terry's parents escape being murdered when Terry was eight years old?
    "Dwayne's 'nano-engineered sperm' idea neatly solved all these problems. [In addition], there were other aspects of the story that would've needed some massaging; for instance, Selina never seemed particularly tech-savvy, so the bonkers clone plot seemed like a bit of a stretch for her (but perfect for Mrs. Waller and her Frankenstein leanings). [Also], Bruce was going to discover the truth about 'dark avenger guy' being a clone of himself, put two and two together, and realize [that] Terry was also a Bruce clone and try to shut Terry out of the case, but that bit was way too similar to what we'd just done in Return of the Joker.
    Terry thinking he was 'cursed by Batman,' blaming Bruce for ruining his life, even suspecting that Bruce deliberately set the whole thing up, breaking up with Dana... all these bits originated in that impromptu brainstorming session with me and Glen Murakami. The Terry / Dana breakup bit was kinda cool: Terry and Dana go to the wedding of one of her cousins, and you know how people get at weddings; Dana starts hinting that they should think about getting hitched (after they graduate, of course!) and, surprisingly, Terry's not completely adverse to the idea: part of him would actually like to settle down with this girl he obviously adores and live something of a normal life, but then he finds out he's Bruce's clone, thinks he's cursed, doesn't want Dana to have anything to do with him, [etc.]. Terry deciding to change the Batman paradigm by actually marrying her at story's end was something we added when writing 'Epilogue.' I honestly don't know how we would have resolved the Dana / Terry thing if we'd made the Batman Beyond version. Anyhow, that's it in a nutshell
  • Link: Watchtower, ep50
  • Summary: Selina made lot's of Bruce Wayne clones, systematically killed parents at proper age, only success was Terry and one other - a creepy Manchurian Candidate raised as her son - bumps off Terry's rogues gallery.

    Worlds Collide Direct to Video Movie
  • Source: World's Finest Backstage Bruce Timm 2004
  • Summary: Commissioned around the time they were gearing up for JLU season 1. Dwayne McDuffie and Bruce Timm came up with story, McDuffie wrote a script, Timm designed a load of characters, storyboarding was done, Romano did casting, just about to record, WHV slammed the brakes
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: September 18, 2009
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: yep, CO2E basically IS the old WORLDS COLLIDE script -- it's like 95% or more intact -- major difference being the swapping of john stewart for hal jordan -- and since john didn't have a very big part in the original script anyhow, it didn't impact the overall story in any important way (we'd just come off "Starcrossed", remember, where he'd gotten some major face-time, so we felt it'd be good to let him take a bit of a breather) WORLDS COLLIDE was always intended to be "Continuity Lite", to appeal to the broadest audience possible, to be comprehensible to people who hadn't necessarily seen every episode of JL or people who didn't even get Cartoon Network -- (remember, at the time, the season set dvd's were still a ways off) -- so there never were very many overt continuity callbacks in the script to get rid of as to why we didn't just make it a straight-up "DCAU" film? simple answer : ZERO interest from the folks at Home Video in re-visting the old continuity -- they've invested several million dollars in establishing the new "DCU" dvd line as its own thing, so why muddy the issue by bringing back the old continuity? putting it bluntly, getting a "DCAU" version of WORLDS COLLIDE green-lit just plain wasn't gonna happen at this time -- PERIOD. so -- i could've just waited another five years to see if anybody at Home Video changed their minds (and run the risk that they might NEVER do so) -- or i could grab this opportunity as my last best hope of getting WC on the screen practically intact (but with new designs and new voices), and obviously that's what i chose to do and by the way, regardless of what gregory says in that video clip, it was totally my idea to dust off and tweak the WC script for the DCU series -- he's blameless here -- any effigies that get burned will have blonde hair, glasses and very tall foreheads, okay?
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: February 23, 2010
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: When we were preparing "Justice League Unlimited," and actually very shortly after we shut down "Justice League," the idea was to do a movie that would bridge a lot of the continuity between the two shows. It was a big change just going from six to 60 members, and answering questions like, "Where did the teleporter come from? And where did the new satellite come from?" I wrote it, and we realized that putting "Justice League Unlimited" together was a much bigger production and challenge than we thought of ahead of time and we just didn't have the manpower to do both the show and the movie so we put the movie on the shelf. But Bruce [Timm] really never gave up on it. He kept trying to do it over the years, and I guess the right opportunity came along and he called me up and said, "Hey, we can do this if we base it on the comic books and not the animated version. Would you be interested in re-writing it?" And I was very interested.
    The storyline didn't change very much. The characters changed a bit. Some of the motivations changed. Mostly what I did was cut out stuff that was intended to set up the mysterious new "Justice League Unlimited" show, which later enjoyed 39 episodes, but at the time we started, we were leading into [JLU], so there was a lot of stuff that was supposed to erase questions. I took that out, but I'd say 90 to 95 percent of it is the same story.
    We actually made up a fake president, who we thought was going to be president in "Justice League Unlimited," just because we knew we were going to do some political stuff
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: February 22, 2010
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: We finished up the first "Justice League" series and we got the order to do another season of the show. Cartoon Network had asked us to re-brand the show and to not do anymore two-parters, and they left it to us to figure out what that meant: re-branding the show. We came up with the idea of expanding the roster of heroes and doing more stand-alone episodes, but with an overall arc, and all that stuff that eventually became "Justice League Unlimited." At the same time, it was kind of planned that we were just going to jump into that new iteration without a whole lot of explanation. It was like we went from seven heroes to 50 some odd heroes and one Watchtower to a whole system of floating Watchtowers over the Earth. We actually wanted it to be a bit disorienting like that. "Ooh, wait a minute, what happened?" But we did plan on eventually on telling that story of what happened in between the two series.
    Right around the same time that we were developing "Justice League Unlimited," we came up with this story, which at the time was called, "Worlds Collide," which explained how the two series connected and what happened in between, and we used the Crime Syndicate from the comics, who are a group of supervillains, who are kind of like the evil alter egos of our guys and the main antagonists of that story. [When] we wrote the script, the idea was that we were going to do both the movie and "Justice League Unlimited," simultaneously. We knew we had a longer lead time on the movie, so we knew it was going to come out on home video some time after "Justice League Unlimited" premiered, but that was OK. But ultimately, for one reason or another, just as were getting ready to get a green light on "Worlds Collide" - we actually already had the cast in place - we were getting ready to pull the trigger on it and the plug got pulled. They said, for whatever reason, "We don't think we should go ahead with this."
    But we had the script lying around that we really, really liked that Dwayne [McDuffie] had written, and it kept coming up in conversations. It was like, "It's a shame that this script exists and we can't do it. What should we do with it?" Should we put on one of the other DVDs as a pdf file, just so people could read it? Or should we turn it into a comic book?
    DC was all excited about doing it as comic book miniseries for a while there, but ultimately all of that stuff fell through and, years and years later, we were working on these DCU movies, the DTVs, and we had a couple of scripts that were in development that weren't quite gelling. We had a slot open - we really needed a movie for the first quarter of '10 - and we have to get something in the works. All along, I'd been going, "We've got 'Worlds Collide.' It's still sitting there." And they said, "Yeah, but it's too close to the TV continuity. Yadda, yadda, yadda," and then I happened to be reading one of the current "Justice League of America" comics that was coming out at the time and, weirdly enough, Dwayne was writing the comic at the time. I was flipping through it and I was like, "Wait a minute. A lot of the people, who are in the Justice League, at the moment, in the comic were a lot of the characters that we played up a lot on the series, like Black Canary and Vixen. And I happened to notice the design of the Watchtower that they were using was our Watchtower from the animated series. It was almost like the two continuities had kind of weirdly merged. So I got the idea that, without a whole lot of trouble now, we could actually retro-fit "Worlds Collide" into a DCU movie with minor alterations - the biggest, of course, being swapping out John Stewart for Hal Jordan, and obviously, we'd have to go in and redesign the characters because we didn't want it to be exactly the same style than the TV series. But ultimately, Dwayne's original script was about 95 percent intact and everybody signed off on it and away we went.
    Curiously enough, James Woods was the one person that actually ended up playing the same part that he would have played if we had gone ahead with "Worlds Collide" all those years ago. Back in the day, he was our choice for Owlman. Unfortunately, he and Andrea Romano, and I think even Dwayne, they might be misremembering it, because I'm pretty sure we had cast him as Owlman. They're saying he was originally cast as Lex Luthor in the earlier version, but I'm pretty sure he was Owlman. Everybody else, we had a completely different cast in mind. We, frankly, thought he was a longshot. He's a big name actor and he's really, really good and too expensive. But at the time, he signed on for it, and years later, I was like, "Well, he was our original choice for Owlman. Let's see if he would still be interested." And he still was, and there we were
    And actually, at the time, when it was still "Worlds Collide," we had gotten pretty far down the line in terms of developing the character designs for the Crime Syndicate and some of the other characters, and I didn't want to have to just start completely from scratch again. It's basically just the ending from the original movie that literally leads into "Justice League Unlimited."
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sat January 23, 2010 5:59 pm
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: It would be interesting, the draft includes some Milestone guest stars that DC Comics made us take out. It also ended with the JLA line-up that I was told would be my comic book JLA line up in February, had I continued on the book. None of that's in there, now
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun January 24, 2010 6:52 pm
  • Quote: Question "can you tell us what milestone character's that where going to make a cameo's in the justice league crisis on two earth's movie." Answer: Static in the first three drafts, Icon in a couple of the later drafts.
  • Link: Lamhost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: August 9, 2006
  • Quote: Question "You also said there was an "origin" for her Invisible Plane that might show up in an episode. Where'd it come from?" Answer: That origin was written into a so far unproduced Justice League direct to video. I'm mum, just in case we ever get to do it.
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted Mon January 10, 2011 9:08 pm
  • Quote: Question "On Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, when Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash meet the alternate Luthor; Superman checks up on their universe's Luthor, who is still in Stryker's. In the World's Collide script, how did the Justice League's Lex Luthor make an appearance, if any?" Answer: He's at a signing for his new book "Into the Light," de rigueur for his impending presidential campaign.

  • The Brave and The Bold Direct to Movie
    Elongated Man, Greem Arrow, and Zatanna
  • Link: World's Finest James Tucker Interview about "Bold Beginnings"
  • When: 2003-04
  • Quote: WF: To the main story. Why were these particular heroes chosen - Green Arrow, Plastic Man and Aquaman? JT: This story actually started out as a DTV (direct-to-video movie) script written years ago that was to feature the Batman: The Animated Series-version of Batman in a The Brave and the Bold-type movie featuring three segments consisting of Batman teaming up with Elongated Man, Green Arrow and Zatanna written by Paul Dini and Alan Burnett. I'd place it around the time of Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman, either right before or right after, I don't recall. For whatever reason the script didn't get produced and it sat on the shelf for years. Fast forward to our third season. We were a bit behind of getting in a finished script for our deadline and had gotten a hold of the script for the aborted DTV. We took two of the segments and adapted them to what became the Green Arrow and Plastic Man (formerly Elongated Man) segments in the episode. Steve Melching wrote the rest of the episode and did a great job of condensing those segments and creating a great framing device using Aquaman's thwarted efforts at telling his story. I thought the episode turned out well, especially given considering it's convoluted path from a 75 minute DTV to a 22-minute TV show.

  • Mattel

    Wonder Woman and the Star Riders
  • Link: Sarah Dyer website via Web Archive
  • When: 1992-1993
  • Who: Sarah Dyer, Jose Garcia-Lopez
  • Quote: Yes, it's the strange and bizarre saga of the world's most elaborate, nonsensical, and ultimately unproduced all-female action figure line (and marketing concept). And it goes something like this:
    In 1992, for reasons I can't guess, Mattel decided they wanted to do a line of toys based around Wonder Woman -- but not based on her actual history or character! -- accompanied (of course) by a cartoon and other tie-ins. Their original idea seems to have been a resuscitation of the She-Ra concept, with a little Captain Planet-style environmentalism added, and Wonder Woman shoved in for name recognition. (I also wouldn't be surprised to find out there was a little Sailor Moon influence at work as well -- while that's pure speculation on my part, Sailor Moon was already a huge success in Japan at the time, and Mattel worked closely with Bandai and had to have been aware of how well the franchise was doing.)
    So, they went to DC and WB Animation to develop the show that would be a vehicle for the toy line. In late 92, the concept went through several revisions as WB tried to pull together a pilot, DC worked on the promotional comics (which were to be inserted into Barbie boxes, as well as who knows where else) and Mattel worked on their toy designs. Long-time DC comic and licensing artist Jose Garcia-Lopez (see his Superpowers work at the Superpowers archives) was even tapped to do the character designs. Finally, enough was settled for Mattel to put together a presentation for the Feb 93 Toy Fair. The line was supposed to launch in September of that year, accompanied by a half-hour animated special, which would then be put out on video, and tie-in comic series and other merchandise. Unfortunately, the whole thing collapsed not long afterwards -- I can't trace the actual fatal blow, but my guess would be that they couldn't find any takers for their proposed cartoon (animated shows geared towards girls are virtually unsellable -- even today I know of cartoons being shopped around that no-one will produce because "conventional wisdom" dictates that shows geared towards girls will fail). But as the pilot was never even made (supposedly it got as far as storyboards and some test animation, although I'm not sure if that's true), it's also possible that orders were so low on the toy line Mattel decided to pull the plug -- it had been about five years since the last girl's action line left the shelves, so retailers might have been hesitant about trying the line out. It's also possible that the concept was so weird -- marketing-driven without much thought to logic, a mish-mash of other shows and toy lines, an almost unrecognizable Wonder Woman -- that cooler heads prevailed and put the concept out of its misery.
    With so many strikes against it, I'm amazed that anyone attempted to market this concept in the first place, and (I think) it's completely bizarre that toys were actually shown and promoted before the property they were based on had even materialized. In fact, a Feb 93 article in the Wall Street Journal calls the line "an unusual venture" because of Mattel's attempt to do a female action line, which at that point hadn't been seen for several years. To help clarify things for those who might have been made nervous (and to think Xena would appear just a few years later!), a spokeswoman for Mattel stressed that the line would be nonviolent and that Wonder Woman would have "lots of hair to comb."
    But lots of hair couldn't save this Wonder Woman. And so this ill-fated chapter in the history of female action figures drew to a close (as Wonder Woman fans around the globe breathed a sigh of relief!)
    Star Lily of the Star RidersThe Star Rider concept went through a lot of incarnations in its brief existence, and the final storyline doesn't really have a good explanation for the term, "Star Riders". As things stood when the line ended, you have your choice of two universes for Wonder Woman and the Riders -- in the version which would have been seen in the cartoon (and presumably followed on the published comics and toy info) the "Riders" are a group of four teenage girls from around the globe who were all born with nature-controlling superpowers, who suddenly are called to "fulfill their destiny" as Star Riders along with Wonder Woman (who is apparently also one of the chosen ones -- she's a very young Wonder Woman, with none to little of her normal DC background). They're taken to the mysterious Starlight Castle in the sky by winged horses and given costumes, new names, new hair colors and some nice accessories by a disembodied voice, Starlight (all of this directly from the She-Ra mythos, by the way). Wonder Woman doesn't get a new name, but she does get a new costume along with her new friends, and as a natural-born leader takes charge. They're informed that a great evil has attacked the Earth, in the form of their soon-to-be arch-nemesis Purrsia (who is far more Catra than Cheetah), accompanied by her evil kitty pal Panthera, and they must stop her and protect the world. As it turns out, there's these magical Star Jewels protecting the earth, which Starlight created eons ago. And Purrsia is trying to steal them all to impress her boss, the evil and mysterious Darkness (think Queen Metallia crossed with Satan). Starlight has now activated the Star Riders to save the jewels and protect Nature from evil (it's hard to tell if their existence was somehow engineered by Starlight or if they are simply the best candidates for the jobs). They now must learn to use their powers, cope with their new duties, learn to get along, fit in with other teenagers in their regular lives, and of course constantly fight Purrsia and save the Star Jewels from her. You can pretty much figure out what would have happened for the rest of the series from there.
    Promo ComicHowever, the early promotional materials (WB/Mattel's presentation folder and the actually-released mini-comic) give us a universe quite different, one based on an earlier version of the storyline, in which the Star Riders don't have human secret identities, but are a sort of secret guardian system for the planet, known only to the Queen of the Amazons, who's sent her daughter to join and lead them. Instead of being humans who become superheroines, they're more like heroines who adopt secret identities to live among humans -- Princess Diana is a doctor; Solara (actually a sun goddess of the aztecs or something like that) is a photographer; Ice (a princess of the quasi-norse-legend Ice Folk) is a part-time writer and illustrator who holds down a day job in an ice-cream parlor; Dolphin (princess of an aquatic race) works at "Ocean World"; and Star Lily (the last survivor of a secret paradise-like land) works as a florist. Their powers are pretty similar as Star Riders, although in this incarnation poor Star Lily can only make people fall asleep! In this version, Purrsia is simply a greedy evil sorceress from another dimension who wants all jewels. It's suggested that she could have been a heroine of her world but didn't live up to the task -- and that she may be redeemable. She seems to be more or less a rogue Star Rider who wants to lead the group and may be redeemable. (Although it's hard to tell -- in the promo comic there's a big lapse in logic -- Purrsia tells Panthera, who's a bumbling cat instead of an assistant here, that she wants to be a Star Rider, and in Wonder Woman's lasso she says she want to join their sisterhood and renounce evil. Now I've never heard of a version of the magic lasso where you could actually lie when wrapped up in it -- but apparently Purrsia's figured out how, 'cause as soon as she gets into the castle she cuts the power and makes off with a Star Jewel. Oh well, I guess she's just really evil!) You can see the entire comic for yourself at Themyscira, along with the character descriptions given in the presentation booklet. Personally, I prefer the later "official" version, and the following character descriptions are based on that:
    (going clockwise from) Wonder Woman: a young, relatively-new-to-man's-world WW gets a new costume when she becomes one of the Star Riders, and gets the Wonder Wand, which gives her some supernatural powers including flight and the ability to "bring out people's innate goodness" (ahem, couldn't be from Sailor Moon, could it?). She also gets the coolest horse, Nightshine, who's a winged unicorn, rather than the "plain" winged horse everyone else gets. (Again, shades of She-Ra!) She wears bustier, boots and tiara in the classic WW style, with tights, tutu, and cape added.
    Solara: even more predictable than Ice's "cold" nature is Solara's fiery temperament, and believe it or not, she's a hot-blooded Latina teenager (from Mexico, to be specific). No stereotypes there, folks. She has the powers of the Sun, including a serious sunblast she can do from her chest, and she can control temperature. A warm pink and orange color scheme (including dark pink hair) mystifyingly works for her.
    Star Lily: the protector of nature is also the token non-white character -- an African princess who says things like "hey, girlfriend". She controls nature with very Poison Ivy-like powers, making things grow out of seemingly nowhere. She has a big floral-design thing on her back. At odds with her close bond to organic things, she seems to be the one most interested in the Starlight Castle's technology.
    Dolphin: a perky, cute American high school girl who has absolutely nothing to do with the DC character. She's the "ocean" character, who can make bubbles. Strong bubbles. And big ones too. If she does anything else, I haven't seen it evidenced in the final material -- but early concepts include a "sonic scream". Pale blue hair, a fan-tail skirt and a Mera-like tiara complete her particular ensemble.
    Purrsia: the evil nemesis of the Star Riders -- she lives in a dark castle in another dimension, able to move back and forth with the aid of Panthera (she can't do it on her own). She's an evil sorceress type, who like all cartoon villains is rather ineffectual. She has a fur trimmed skirt and cape, and a magic mask which allows her to see things that are invisible to the naked eye-- a sort of x-ray vision, if you will.
    Ice: another American high-schooler who is predictably emotionally detached -- she is the, uh, "ice" character (and again has nothing to do with the DC character she's named for). She can create ice blasts, freeze things, make things out of ice -- she's probably the most powerful of the four younger girls -- but she's the one who gets a power wand to increase and focus her abilities. For some reason, she's pink and white -- not colors I think of as "ice-like"...but I suppose they didn't want to repeat Dolphin's color scheme. Ice wand and cape accessorise her Frosta-like outfit.
    It was reported at the time that Supergirl was later going to be added to the line, but after reviewing the line's history, I doubt that was ever actually planned, especially as the development never got as far as planning a series. Room was left for additional riders, but more likely they would have been created by Mattel. The Toys
    The figures are as closely descended from the She-Ra line as the actual characters themselves, using similar accessories, powers and deco. But they're based on a much more doll-like figure than the She-Ra line was -- I'm not sure what these 6" molds were originally created for, but this is their first appearance. They have since been used by Mattel in the Disney Princess line, the "Four Corners" doll family line, and in the girl's adventure line "Tenko and the Guardians of the Gemstones" (which is possibly the closest thing to the Star Riders we'll ever see -- incorporating the powerful magic gemstones concept and the magnetic jewel feature planned for the Star Riders). But unlike these later cloth-dressed dolls, the Star Riders were designed like the She-Ra line, with painted-on basic costumes accessorised with add-on skirts, wands and headdresses (as well as above-mentioned magnetic jewel accessory).
    As far as "action features" go, Dolphin apparently had a "bubble power", which looks as though it works by pumping bubble solution through her midsection (the 3rd She-Ra had a bubble power action, but it was based on a gun -- Dolphin's action reminds me of Mermista's water spraying feature instead); Ice has an ice wand and "ice" sound effects; Solara's chest lights up with her solar blast; and Star Lily has the spinning attachment that formerly belonged to Castaspella (from She-Ra).
    Starlight CastleIn the playmate/pet department, Mattel also showed Wonder Woman's steed, Nightshine, and one of the basic winged horses, Cloudancer; as well as Purrsia's companion/assistant Panthera. You can see from the photo of Nightshine that the horses are definitely made from the basic horse mold used in the She-Ra line. (And I assume that Purrsia's cat would have been cast from the Clawdeen mold as well.) However, the Starlight Palace, while obviously based in concept on the She-Ra line's Crystal Castle is all-new. I'm not sure why -- the castle is described as in the clouds and otherwise sounds like the Crystal Castle. But the Starlight Palace is smaller and cheap looking. I can only guess that either Mattel didn't want to be so obvious by re-using the Crystal Castle mold -- who knows how many people still had one in their homes and wouldn't appreciate seeing it re-used, or the Crystal Castle was simply too elaborate and expensive to be feasible in 1993 (especially as part of an unproven line.
    The toys also reverted back to the original designs for the characters -- for some reason, in the promotional materials, big logos based on the character's initials have been imposed onto the designs. But the toys are back to basics:

  • Other Pitches

    Young Aquaman
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: January 12, 2005
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it was indeed "young aquaman", NOT part of the established dcau, completely different style, etc....it was in development for kids wb for awhile, they ultimately passed on it, it's now seemingly in permanent limbo....

    Kamandi
  • Source: Jack Kirby Collector #21
  • When: 1998
  • Who: Timm
  • Quote: I don't know how that rumor even got out! That's something we've just started talking about among ourselves. It was a kind of a truthful rumor. We talked about it once, when we finished the new season of Batman and we hadn't yet got the pick-up on Superman or Batman. We were just going through the whole list of DC characters that we had the rights to, and we thought, "What would be a good series for kids?" I just immediately thought of Kamandi. I thought Kamandi would be a great kids' show. We never really did much more on it than that; we just talked about the possibility that we might do it. Then we got busy doing the new Batman and Superman, and kind of put it on hold for a while, but I'd still love to do a Kamandi show. I think Kamandi is a great character. It's actually my favorite Kirby comic from the DC era. I like the New Gods and Mister Miracle and everything, but there's something about Kamandi. I think it's his best writing.
  • Source: Comicology #1
  • When: Spring 2000
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: January 12, 2005
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: if you read that COMICOLOGY interview a few years back, you know pretty much the whole story....it was pretty much an off-the-cuff verbal pitch, with color blowups of kirby comic art....the lady from kids wb seemed very confused while looking at the art: "i kinda like the premise, but, um...you want it to look like THAT?!"...also, they wanted to add a strong female supporting character, and since there really AREN'T any in the original comics, and i wanted to stay as faithful to the comics as possible, we reached a quick impasse, they lost interest....it would have been WAY too violent for them, anyway, i think, it's probably best it didn't happen....

    Legion of Superheroes
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: January 11, 2005
  • Who: Timm
  • Quote: various incarnations of "legion" have been pitched, a few times....i'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened yet, honestly....."teenage STAR TREK with superheroes" is a high-concept pitch that practically sells itself....it'll probably happen one of these days....

    Justice League
  • Link: Dave Johnson instagram
  • Posted: January 31, 2013
  • Who: Dave Johnson
  • Quote: Old WB Justice League show designs that were rejected.
  • Summary: two Batman designs, armored

    Shazam!
  • Source: Wizard #108 (September 2000) page 72
  • When: December 1999
  • Summary: there was a small article about a shelved series titled "Shazam!" Alex Ross and Paul Dini were co-producers and did brief preliminary work on it in December 1999. Ross did one piece of art, seen in the article, of Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr. Dini likened the art style to C.C. Beck meets Powerpuff Girls. Ross admitted he was trying to do "something very very different from Bruce Timm's style." Back then, there's still the rights issue with Captain Marvel and TV animation conflicted so it was shelved.

    Doom Patrol
  • Source: Toyfare #108, page 61
  • Summary: LONG rumored Doom Patrol spin off mentioned

    Gotham High
  • Link: Jeffrey Thomas and Celeste Green blog
  • Posted: January 3, 2011
  • When: Early 2000s
  • Who: Jeffrey Thomas and Celeste Green
  • Quote: Hey everybody! We have a huge treat in store for you this week from the Jeff and Celeste vault of awesomeness. Batman is both mine and Celeste's favorite superhero and some time about a year and a half ago, we were approached to create a spec series based off of an old drawing of mine that we then sent to DC. Unfortunately, the project got lost in the sea of all the other Batman related projects in the works. But hey, it was still fun to make.
    The Story Synopsis: We all go through incredible changes as teenagers: growth spurts, bad skin, a sudden insatiable need to uphold justice and avenge your murdered parents... Well, that is if you're Bruce Wayne. As if being a freshman at Gotham High wasn't tough enough, Bruce's insomnia and technological fascinations are taking their toll. Instead of spending his time studying, he has begun to obsess over an emerging personality trait: Batman. But under the watchful eye of his guardian and steward, Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce is forced to put his intelligence to good use: graduating high school. But given his classmates, can Bruce survive Gotham High?
    Summary: pitched this very different take on the Batman mythos to Warner Bros. Animation in the early 2000s. Based on an old sketch by Thomas, Gotham High recast the usual heroes and foes found in Batman's world as high school students. The show would look at Wayne's insatiable need to uphold justice and avenge your murdered parents ... while dealing with typical issues that come with being a student. Under the watchful eye of his guardian Alfred Pennyworth, Wayne is forced to focus on graduating high school before he can take to the night skies ... that is, if he can survive the experience. Thomas said the unique idea sadly got lost in the multitude of Batman pitches Warner Bros. Animation executives hear every year.

    Justice League International
  • Link: J.M. DeMatteis Tweet
  • Posted: April 7, 2018
  • Who: J.M. DeMatteis
  • Quote: There was talk, a few years back, of a JLI animated series spinning out of BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD, but it never came to be.

    Green Lantern
  • Link: Ask Greg
  • Posted: March 21, 2014
  • Summary: Greg Weisman talks about his and Brandon Vietti's unused Green Lantern pitch. Charlie Vickers would have been the lead, pretty much every Earth Lantern you can think of would have gotten in there eventually, a lot of extra-terrestrial Lanterns, and Hal Jordan would have had a prominent role in the pilot.
  • Link: Flash Talk TV Podcast 22
  • Posted: July 12, 2014
  • Summary: Greg Weisman reveals there was a covert ops unit in his and Brandon Vietti's unused Green Lantern pitch.
  • Link: Shanlian on Batman Episode 64, 43:40-44:58 mark
  • Posted: June 7, 2016
  • Summary: Greg Weisman reveals Arisia and Arrkis Chummuck were in his and Brandon Vietti's unused Green Lantern pitch. Hal Jordan and John Stewart were limited to cameo appearances so they made Charlie Vickers in lead role with young Green Lanterns in training.

    Zatanna
  • Link: Paul Dini Twitter
  • Posted: April 3, 2017
  • Summary: Zatanna pitch, some art, never got off the ground


    CG Batman pitch

  • Link: Alexander Kubalsky deviantArt
  • Posted: November 14, 2011
  • Summary: Penguin vehicle concept designs for a Batman CG 2010 pitch.
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Posted: February 5, 2014
  • Summary: Penguin vehicle concept designs was not part of James Tucker's pitch.

    Batman No Man's Land pitch

  • Link: Coran Stone deviantArt
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Posted: August 18, 2011
  • When: Mid 2000s
  • Who: James Tucker and Coran Stone
  • Quote: So James the Terrifically talented Tucker producer of "The Brave and Bold" series was starting work on the new Bat show and decided to take a chance on the new guy....Me! So I became character designer. I was floored as **** and had a ton of ideas for the darknight and fellers so I spent about 4 or 5 monthes cranking out a ton of of batty shizz! I did way more than any man should ever do and worked sometimes two nights straight without sleep on that stuff. This is the sucky part> Unfortunately one of the heads at cartoon network felt that the concept was to dark and it got scraped. I of course thought that sucked ass but (back to good stuff) at the same time felt happy as hell that I had the one and a mill chance to work on a Bats series.
  • Summary: An animated series based on the acclaimed Batman comic storyline "No Man's Land" has been a popular premise, with multiple attempted made. The piece of artwork above, by character designer Coran Stone, is one of the more notable attempts. Stone said he was selected by producer James Tucker to do the character designs for a "No Man's Land"-based cartoon, but the project was ultimate scrapped since it was considered "too dark." Warner Bros. Animation and Cartoon Network opted to eventually go a more lighter route with Batman: The Brave and The Bold. Stone spent roughly five months working on production artwork for the series, in the mid-2000s before it was inevitably cancelled.
  • Link: James Tucker deviantArt
  • Posted: March 6, 2014
  • When: Mid/Late 2000s
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: This was a painting done to pitch a proposed series based on No Man's Land. The painter's name escapes me, but I'll post their credit when I do some research. Anyway, it was deemed too dark by the suits. Knowing what I know now about CGI production, it would've been a nightmare to produce. Bullet dodged, but the painting is nifty! Pencils rough by Coran Stone.
  • Summary: A second attempt to create an animated series based on the "No Man's Land" comics was attempted, this time with a CG-animation bent to it. Also stalled for the dark premise, James Tucker would have been producer for this mid/late 2000s series.
  • Link: The Batman Universe Video Interview
  • Posted: July 24, 2010
  • Summary: helmed by James Tucker, in CGI, and radically different in tone compared to Batman: The Brave and The Bold.
  • Link: Dark Knights deviation
  • Posted: August 18, 2011
  • Summary: Coran Stone was selected by James Tucker to be Character Designer. Stone did designs for four to five months. One of the heads at Cartoon Network felt the concept was too dark and scrapped it. Stone reveals one design, a group shot of Batman, Nightwing, Robin/Damian Wayne, Batgirl/Cassadra Cain, and Catwoman.
  • Link: Dark Knights deviation comment
  • Posted: August 19, 2011
  • Summary: The scrapped concept had a vibe similar to an arc from the comic books in 1999, "No Man's Land" which depicted "the edge of the end in Gotham."

    Superman/Batman pitch

  • Link: VoicesFromKrypton article
  • Posted: July 11, 2013
  • Summary: Mitch Watson reveals there was a second pitch before the final version of Beware The Batman was greenlit. It was a light-hearted Superman/Batman show that focused on Batman and Superman in their 20s and early on in their careers. Clark Kent was a trainee reporter coming to Gotham City and he meets Bruce Wayne. Clark and Bruce become friends, but Batman and Superman hate each other. Then they realize who each other is and get on the right side and end up living in the same building.
  • Link: The Nightfly with Dave Jusknow, 23: 40 mark
  • Posted: November 5, 2017
  • Summary: Mitch Watson reveals the light-hearted Superman/Batman show involves Bruce and Clark meeting, ending up in jail after a bar fight, and then the duo living in Bruce's high rise penthouse. Wonder Woman was also supposed to show up and be in the same city, some relationship was going to occur between the trio, and was basically described as being partly inspired by Gossip Girl.

    Knightfall pitch

  • Link: The Nightfly with Dave Jusknow, 23: 40 mark
  • Posted: November 5, 2017
  • Summary: Mitch Watson reveals he also did a Knightfall pitch before Beware the Batman was greenlit. It had the tone of "Doomsday" and Superman was supposed to be in it.

    Nightwing pitch

  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Mel Zwyer comment
  • When: 2009
  • Posted: July 2, 2012
  • Summary: Before Young Justice designs were released , an animated series based on Nightwing was in the early stages of production in the late 2000s before the work was ultimately shelved for Young Justice. Design work for the series was being handled by Ki Hyun Ryu of The Legend of Korra. The series would have followed the adventures of Batman sidekick Nightwing, aka Dick Grayson. Teen Titans member Raven would also be a regular part of show's supporting cast.

    Wonder Twins

  • Link: Cartoon Hullabaloo Tweet
  • When: Years Ago
  • Posted: January 6, 2018
  • Summary: Cartoon Hullabaloo pitched Wonder Twins years ago after Warner Bros. Entertainment asked them to take one of their old properties and re-imagine it as a new cartoon. Art by Kyle Carrozza included.

    Shazam

  • Link: Cartoon Hullabaloo Tweet
  • When: Years Ago
  • Posted: January 6, 2018
  • Summary: Cartoon Hullabaloo also pitched a Shazam series. Art by Matt Kaufenberg included.

    Kamandi, The Last Boy on Earth

  • Link: Evan Dorkin Tweet
  • Link: Evan Dorkin Tweet
  • Who: Evan Dorkin and Sarah Dyer
  • When: 2011
  • Posted: October 10, 2018
  • Quote: The good news: We got the okay to finally talk about a big secret project that [Sarah Dyer] and I worked on and are extremely proud of. It's one of the best things we've ever done. Oh, but here's the bad news: We can talk about it now because it's dead and will never happen.
  • Quote: So, back in 2011, we were hired by Warner Bros to write a bible/pitch for an animated series called: KAMANDI, THE LAST BOY ON EARTH Evan Dorkin & Sarah Dyer On the Road in "The World That May Be!" An adventure/comedy, aimed at pitching it to the Adult Swim.
  • Quote: Our bible ran 25 pgs, worked up motivations for Kamandi's globe-hopping, incorporated every animal tribe, every region of his letters-page map, every supporting character from Sacker to Flower to the gorilla Superman cult.
  • Quote: We even got them to let us bring OMAC and Brother Eye in, the latter having a very important role. Sarah reworked how the Tiger kingdoms worked, we worked out a way to "de-Planet of the Apes" the gorilla tribes, extended the K bunker system and had a long, long game plan.
  • Quote: The opening blah blah for the pitch goes : "Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth is a post-apocalyptic action comedy which follows the adventures and misadventures of a teen-aged boy forced to survive in a strange world of human-like talking animals, mutants and monsters...
  • Quote: He and his traveling companions (talking animals and a psychotic robot) undergo a journey that's a mash-up of Kirby, Kerouac and Cormac McCarthy. Along the way there's exciting action, thrilling adventure, black humor, a whiff of satire and...a lot of raging hormones.
  • Quote: The biggest hurdle was how to make sense of Kamandi's wanderings, give the thing a through-line, punch up the supporting cast's goals, and update Kirby's 30's WB back lot movie tropes for outfitting Tigers and gangsters, etc (and riffing on Planet of the Apes/Kong, Westworld).
  • Quote: For ex, Sarah worked out that Tuftan's tiger tribe took over the remains of the Medieval Times franchises and based their feudal system on that skewed history. Sackers Dept stores were Walmart-like chains, w/Sacker himself seemingly in each region, ala Sidney Fields.
  • Quote: Kamandi realizes Ben Boxer et al are a little too nutty about the SCIENCE, Tracking Station has a Scientology-whiff about it. Brother Eye has malfunctioned and is using Kamandi for his own purposes, luring him across the US w/the promise of finding female companionship.
  • Quote: However...Kamandi never gets laid. Never. THE LAST FULLY-HUMAN BOY ON EARTH is universally cock-blocked by fate or design. His frustration leads to poor-decision making. his chronic masturbation...well, you get the idea. He is a miserable wreck throughout the series.
  • Quote: The only lady interested in Kamandi is Flower, who they free from Sacker's store. Tuftan and Canus push the two together constantly -- to Kamandi's delight -- not knowing what the viewer knows -- Flower is part of a tribe of cannibals who eat their mates. So, problematic.
  • Quote: The command K-Bunkers across the country hold old Earth tech and supposedly human survivors. Kamandi is searching for Kamanda, a girl supposedly in the A bunker. Kommando, in O Bunker, is a main antagonist, mix of Henry Rollins/Bill Paxton's Chet who takes over the gorillas.
  • Quote: Here's Flower-as-scary-cannibal. She eats a guy she was caged with at Sacker's. She's nice otherwise! Like Mizuki's Cat Girl, now that I think about it.
  • Quote: We did create new characters for the series. SCRUFFY Scruffy is Kamandi's dog, the last of a line of dogs kept in the Command D bunker, probably the last domestic "normal" dog left on Earth. Scruffy is a wonderful pet and friend. Scruffy gets eaten in the first episode.
  • Quote: Not great concepts for Brother Eyebot, the poorly-constructed (by Kamandi) avatar of Brother Eye. Brother Eyebot/Eye functions as an unreliable Jiminy Cricket, a Wimpy/Rat Man character, who malfunctions and has a deeper agenda besides just being a little robot AI shit.
  • Quote: I mean, imagine getting paid to write a Kirby bible?: "South America - fragmented by the Great Disaster, some of the islands are home to various arcane groups, including The Jaguar Sun Cult And Hotel Chain (with several locations on the mainland) and The God Watchers".
  • Quote: Ep idea: Princess Quest: Brother Eye sends the team on a side quest to save a princess & obtain a special weapon. Kamandi's all over this, especially the princess part, as she's described as being human, and beautiful. Perhaps she's a bunker survivor, perhaps even Kamanda?
  • Quote: What our heroes don't realize is that Brother Eye has suffered a glitch and is sending them "dungeon master"-like instructions from a role-playing video game his system is running. These bogus instructions lead to dangers our heroes didn't bargain for. And no princess.
  • Quote: "Kamandi is captured by a human mutant cult who intends to sacrifice him to a Minotaur-like monster who lives inside a labyrinth that was once an huge Ikea. The mutants all have Ikea-like product names, live life according to the Ikea ethic, and worship the goddess, Ikea".
  • Quote: "Brother Eye told Kamandi his grandfather died. The truth is, Buddy Blank disappeared after Brother Eye tried to download himself into him to create a living avatar. The experiment was a success but the patient fried, transforming him into the wandering entity known as OMAC".
  • Quote: This got long, it's been bottled up. Wish I could publish the whole thing, I really loved what we did. Unfortunately, when pitched around, it was supposedly deemed too funny for an adventure, and too action-oriented for a comedy. Oh, well. What could've been, and all that.
  • Quote: One more bit of Kamandi series trivia: We renamed Tuftan's father...Gruftan. I don't care what you think. It's brilliant and stupid and I love it. And since the series only airs on Earth HOF, it doesn't matter.

    Unknown Pitch for Timm series

  • Link: Evan Dorkin Tweet
  • Who: Evan Dorkin and Sarah Dyer
  • When: 2011
  • Posted: October 10, 2018
  • Quote: While our Kamandi pitch was making the rounds, we ended up writing an equally extensive bible/pitch for a WB Bruce Timm project -- which imho also kicked ass. And also, as is usual, never went anywhere. Then we wrote the DC NATION Metal Men shorts and that was that.

  • Legion of Superheroes (Kids WB!) Season 3
  • Link: Comic Book Resources James Tucker
  • Posted: April 9, 2008
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: We left it unresolved on purpose. This ending was going to bridge into the third season. And the way we leave it, Brainiac 5 has to redeem himself. So that's what he would have been doing in the third season. When we left, he has a lot to clean up. I'll put it that way! With that in mind, it ends with Brainiac 5 having to deal with the repercussions of what he did when he was evil. He'll be on a quest to redeem himself with the Legion. But he may or may not go back to the Legion. That is what we would have explored in Season 3. I don't think it was a detriment having Kel-El be added to the cast because originally the idea we pitched to the network for the second season was to introduce Mon-El because they wanted a suped-up Superman. They basically wanted a kick-ass, bad-ass Superman. I pitched an idea of a future Superman, a clone of Superman from the future, who would come back to the Legion time, to enlist their help, which is basically the flip of what we did Season 1 when we had the Legion go back to Smallville and get Superman. Of course, for third season, we were under no obligation to have him come back. We had aged Superman up. The second season happened about three years after the first one. We had our Superman actually look and feel like Superman. So we didn't really need Kel, although he probably would have showed up here or there. "Tucker also had plans to introduce fan favorites like Wildfire and Dawnstar in Season 3. " And we have given some other characters the spotlight, like Blok. He's a favorite of mine, and hopefully we would have given the girls more screen time. I had some plans for a Ferro Lad story too, where we would have introduced his twin brother.

  • Green Lantern: The Animated Series Season 2

  • Link: CBM Article
  • Posted: October 17, 2011
  • Summary: At NYCC Panel, Bruce Timm says "Maybe" to appearances by John Stewart, Guy Gardner, Kyle Rayner, and Sinestro. He later asserts that Rayner is not currently on the table to appear on the show but everyone else is on the table. Hal Jordan returns to Earth later on in the season.
  • Link: CBR Article
  • Posted: October 21, 2011
  • Summary: Bruce Timm hints if there is a season two and three, two several possible ideas discussed are "Justice League in space" and introducing more DC characters.
  • Link: The Nerd Diaries Interview
  • Posted: May 25, 2012
  • Summary: Interview with Giancarlo Volpe reveals he and Jim Krieg planned out four seasons and want to introduce all the Lantern colors and Green Lanterns from Earth.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: October 14, 2012
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals the staff has a take on Kyle Rayner but adds they need more time to be able to add him to the roster.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: October 26, 2012
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe hints there are more stories to tell about Steam Lantern.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: November 24, 2012
  • Summary: There is a planned story about Alan Scott and 'hopefully it will be revealed in a later episode.'
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Twitter
  • Posted: January 5, 2013
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe states Alan Scott is from the Anti-Matter Universe.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tumblr
  • Posted: January 22, 2013
  • Summary: Jim Krieg posts writer board for "Prisoner of Sinestro" and talks about the episode. There was a different tale conceived under the restraints Sinestro was off-limits due to the live action movie but Bruce Timm advised them to go for Sinestro. The original story might be used for a future episode.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: February 2, 2013
  • Summary: Black Hand was talked about being used on the show.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tweet
  • Posted: February 23, 2013
  • Summary: Writer Ernie Altbacker pitched using Lobo for the show.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: March 16, 2013
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was preliminary story/writing meetings for a season two before news of the show not being renewed.
  • Link: Newsarama Article
  • Posted: March 21, 2013
  • Summary: Season two concept art for Blue Lantern Razer.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: March 23, 2013:
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was some debate if Hal Jordan met Hawkman or not. It was decided it would saved for a later episode.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tweet
  • Posted: April 8, 2013
  • Summary: Jim Krieg hints in the next season there was 'a little job' for Alan Scott to do.
  • Link: Blog of Oa
  • Posted: March 17, 2014
  • Summary: One hour Green Lantern: The Animated Series retrospective with Giancarlo Volpe and Jim Krieg: what would have been in season 2 - Alan Scott, John Stewart in the first half, Kyle Rayner probably in the back half, Volpe had a take on Rayner as a Green Lantern fanboy, do more Sinestro stories, a version of Blackest Night, in broad strokes the first half was Yellow and the second half was Black, the show's body count would come to play in Blackest Night.
  • Link: Panel 2 Panel
  • Posted: March 20, 2014
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe talks Green Lantern: The Animated Series, JLA Adventures, and other shows he's worked on: did block out some of season 2 on index cards.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: September 28, 2014
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe hints Soranik Natu would have very likely appeared had the show continued.
  • Link: Fan Bros vs. Giancarlo Volpe podcast 39:38-40:37
  • Posted: February 5, 2015
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals one of the planned storylines for John Stewart involved Sinestro framing Hal Jordan. While Sinestro was doing devious things in the Green Lantern Corps, he blamed it on Jordan. Jordan would be excommunicated and go on the run as a fugitive. John Stewart was to be assigned to hunt Jordan down. Inevitably, Jordan would clear his name and with Stewart, he would confront Sinestro.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: February 9, 2015
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe hints planned storylines fugitive Hal Jordan was an 'early event'.
  • Link: Hall of Justice Episode 2, 34:18-34:31
  • Posted: June 2, 2015
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was talk of getting Phil LaMarr to reprise the role of John Stewart.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: June 23, 2016
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe posts an unused work in progress concept design of Arisia.

    Green Lantern: The Animated Series Video Game

  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: August 14, 2014
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was a Green Lantern: The Animated Series video game in the works and it would have featured the Controllers.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tweet
  • Posted: August 16, 2014
  • Summary: Jim Krieg notes they were shown the video game in beta and it was going to be a MMORPG.

  • Movies

    The Catwoman
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Who: Boyd Kirkland
  • Quote: I can only assume it's dead, although I've heard nothing official. About a year before the Catwoman movie came out, Warner Animation asked me if I would be interested in developing a direct-to-video Catwoman movie to be released in the wake of the live action feature. I came up with a story about Selina Kyle, based loosely on an idea I had while developing another Batman video after SubZero. They liked it, and asked me to write an outline, which I did. Then, Warner Home Video decided it had to also include the new Catwoman portrayed by Halle Berry. They sent me the script for the movie so I could see who this new Catwoman was. I had to completely rethink my story, but still managed to retain the central premise. I wrote a complete script, which portrayed how these two women meet, and discover more about themselves. It delved much deeper into the Egyptian mythology set up in the Catwoman movie. I think it would have made a pretty entertaining video. Too bad the live action film did so poorly, as that pretty much killed any chance of my script ever getting made.

    The Batman: Hush
  • Posted: March 13, 2007
  • Link: Legions of Gotham forum
  • Quote: Legions of Gotham has the exclusive look at the pitch art for a Direct to Video/DVD feature that Jeff Matsuda had wanted to make when he was working on The Batman! I don't know if you all know this, but Jeff is good friends with a certain Mr. Jeph Loeb. From day one I've been talking with Jeff about getting Hush into the series, and from day one he was hoping to do that. It never panned out, but he did dig out some great art he used to try and sway the powers that be at WB. We may have some more details on what was to be coming soon.
  • Summary: The Batman animated movie based on Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee's Hush comic run, but then it was dropped in favor of The Batman vs. Dracula.

    Teen Titans: Judas Contract
  • Link: Newsarama Post
  • When: Spring 2007
  • Summary: Marv Wolfman will write the movie.
  • Link: Titans Tower Blog Summary
  • Posted: August 1, 2007
  • Summary: Characters that will appear are Robin/Nightwing, Cyborg, Raven, Changeling, Starfire, Wonder Girl, Brother Blood, Terra, Deathstroke and Wintergreen. The Ravager will be referred to.
  • Link: WF Article
  • Summary: As of February 28, 2008, movie is placed on hold.

    Aquaman: Hero of Atlantis
  • Link: Fear Net Splash Chat
  • When: 2009
  • Posted: July 19, 2009
  • Summary: Adam Green is writing Aquaman: Hero of Atlantis this summer. It features Aquaman and Ocean Master versus the Kordax. It should be come out in 2011/2012.

    Green Arrow
  • Link: Newsarama Article
  • When: 2000s
  • Posted: February 23, 2010
  • Summary: A Green Arrow origin story script by Tab Murphy was put on the back burner a couple years ago.

    Batgirl: Year One
  • Link: Lauren Montgomery Blogspot Entry
  • When: 2008
  • Posted: March 22, 2010
  • Summary: In 2008, Lauren Montgomery pitched a movie adaptation for Batgirl: Year One but it was turned down.
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Batgirl: Year One Below is a promotional piece by director Lauren Montgomery for a pitched animated feature based on the Batgirl: Year One comic title. Montgomery pitched the idea as part of the popular DC Universe Animated Original Movie line in 2008, but the idea was ultimate nixed. "Needless to say, they were not interested in anything that did not have Superman or Batman in the leading role," said Montgomery. "It went nowhere."

    Green Lantern: First Flight Sequel
    Wonder Woman sequel
    Hush
    The Long Halloween
    Vampire Batman
  • Link: TMT Interview
  • Posted: April 25, 2010
  • Summary: are pitches or stories that have been rejected or shelved the past few years.

    R-Rated Vertigo movies
  • Link: Comic Hero News Q&A Video
  • Posted:July 30, 2010
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Summary: An R-rated movie is a hot and cold trend. There might be an announcement in the coming months. They have 2 scripts that must be rated R. Would love to adapt The Authority. When asked about a Vertigo movie, Bruce Timm replied "Maybe."
  • Link: NYCC 2010 Toon Zone Roundtable
  • Posted: October 13, 2010
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Summary: An R-Rated Vertigo script is currently shelved due to an ongoing rights issue.
  • Link: CBR Article
  • Posted: April 1, 2013
  • Summary: There are plans for animated direct-to-DVDs of the Vertigo properties.

    Untitled Green Lantern
  • Link: Comic Vine Article
  • When: 2011
  • Posted: July 23, 2011
  • Summary: Alan Burnett and Geoff Johns are working on a project related to Green Lantern.
  • Link: DC GL Panel Podcast (17:04 mark)
  • Posted: July 23, 2011
  • Summary: The project related to Green Lantern is a "very requested storyline."

    Untitled Superman
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Below is rough design work for an untitled Superman project. Format is unknown, but the designs above are by producer James Tucker.

    Untitled Justice League Project
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: The Wonder Woman design, sketched up by director/producer James Tucker in 2008/2009, was for a direct-to-video feature.

    Untitled Justice League Project
  • Link: Shannon Tindle Blog
  • Posted: April 12, 2013
  • Summary: Storyboard Artist Shannon Tindle reveals she was briefly hired to do work with Bruce Timm on a Justice League movie last year. Timm wanted a graphic interpretation of Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez's DC Comics work from the 1970s. Unfortunately, they decided not to do the project less than 24 hours after Tindle agreed to do it. However, Timm wanted to see what she would do with the characters so they let her work for a week anyway doing exploratory artwork.
  • Link: instagram
  • Summary: Bizarro
  • Link: instagram
  • Summary: Batzarro
  • Link: instagarm
  • Summary: Batman

  • DC Nation

    Dr. Fate
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: October 8, 2015
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: Dr. Fate shorts planned early on but the studio they wanted to make them wasn't interested.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: October 8, 2015
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: The studio that passed on the Dr. Fate shorts was a Scandinavian video game company that had released a distinctive side scroller at the time

    Starro the Conqueror
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Posted: March 17, 2012
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: was pitched for 'Season 2' of DC Nation

    Funky Flashman
  • Link: Lynell Forestall Twitter
  • Posted: March 5, 2014
  • Who: Lynell Forestall
  • Summary: had an idea for

    Dolphin
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: July 21, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: tried to pitch a Dolphin short. She would only speak in dolphin noises and was a lead pop singer in Atlantis
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 16, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard

    Zatanna
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: rejected pitches
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Zatanna short involved Zatanna was going to put on a magic circus benefiting orphans. Almost everyone in the DC universe shows up because of the orphans

    Bumblebee
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: rejected pitches
  • Link: Cancelled Too Soon Episode 74
  • Posted: November 23, 2017
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Revolved around how bees went missing. She shrinks and investigates. She finds a bee hive operated like a spa where Poison Ivy enslaved bees to cater to plants. It would have been 1 or 2 shorts.

    Big Barda
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: rejected pitches

    Superman
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: August 22, 2016
  • Who: Genndy Tartakovsky, Justin Thomas, Scott Wills
  • Summary: Genndy Tartakovsky, production designer Justin Thomas, and background designer Scott Wills were working on a Superman short for DC Nation but it was pulled while they were starting work on it. Wills releases two pieces of concept art from the cancelled short

    Thunder and Lightning
  • Link: Big Pull Podcast ep 60
  • Who: Lynell Forestall
  • Summary: If there was a third short, their mother would have appeared. She would have no powers and still married to Black Lightning as opposed to being divorced in the comics. Forestall would have went with the idea she went back to work while he would be stay at home dad to watch over their daughters and their powers

    Super Best Friends Forever
  • Link: Lauren Faust Twitter
  • Posted: August 13, 2015
  • Who: Lauren Faust
  • Summary: 2012 series development art of Batgirl, Robin, Batman, Supergirl, Superman, Wonder Girl, and Wonder Woman.
  • Link: Lauren Faust Twitter
  • Posted: August 13, 2015
  • Who: Lauren Faust
  • Summary: Summary: Harley design
  • Link: Lauren Faust Twitter
  • Posted: August 13, 2015
  • Who: Lauren Faust
  • Summary: was going to frame Harley like Screwy Squirrel or early Daffy Duck. She was to face Wonder Girl in a battle of strategy vs. chaos

    Doom Patrol
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: July 21, 2014
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: remaining 4 Doom Patrols got shelved as a result of the year 2 mandate to make room for new shorts series.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: July 20, 2014
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: Seven were written and recorded but only three were finished

    New Teen Titans
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: August 2, 2013
  • Who: Ben Jones, Brianne Drouhard, Kirk Van Wormer
  • Summary: Drouhard designed a lot of the costumes based on Jones' idea. The short was boarded by Kirk Van Wormer, who also boarded another unaired short "Titans in 3D"
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: March 13, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Brianne Drouhard posts her first pass rough designs for Halloween costumes in an unaired New Teen Titans short.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: March 13, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Robin, Cyborg, and Silkie's costumes in the unaired New Teen Titans Halloween short were Ben Jones' idea while the rest were David Slack's.
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: June 24, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: unused Pantha design
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: June 24, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Brianne Drouhard wanted to pitch a DC short with Supergirl, Batgirl, Pantha, Starfire, and Raven chasing villains thru town, ending in a karaoke battle
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: June 24, 2014
  • Summary: Brianne Drouhard's pitch was going to start with the villains teasing Wildebeast, and Pantha called in whoever was near by for help.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: August 7, 2014
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: Ben Jones reveals the two unaired New Teen Titans shorts titles. Episode 8 was "Titans 3-D" and Episode 18 was "It's the Great Pumpkin, Garfield Logan"