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  • Batman: The Animated Series

    Nocturna
  • When: During season two production
  • Source: Modern Masters page 46
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Oh, yeah. That storyline in the comics was a really long, drawn out, soap operish kind of thing, and we were going to do at most a two-parter with it, trying to condense the best parts of those comics into one finite story. We never got far with it, because we knew that it was going to be tricky. We called up Fox and said, "We're thinking about doing this story, blah, blah, blah," and the minute we said vampires they said no. "Well what if we--?" "No." [laughter] "What if we never see fangs?" "No." "What if when Nocturna bites Batman it's all in the shadows?" "No. No, vampires, period." "What that's one not worth doing then."
  • Summary: The episode was canceled after Fox censors objected to the storyline, which would have involved Batman being turned into a vampire and craving human blood.
  • Source: Comic Scene #46
  • Released: September 1994
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "For the second season of Batman, we wanted to do a 'vampire show.' There was a character from the 80s named Nocturna, a female vampire. We really wanted to use her in the worst way and I came up with a really neat design for her. It was going to be a two-part episode involving a really sick love story. Nocturna falls in love with Batman and wants to vampirize him so that they can live together eternally as vampires. She puts the bite on him at the first episode's end. Bruce Wayne wakes up the next morning, and says, 'Oh boy, how did I ever get home?' Alfred tells him, 'I found you and dragged you home. Good thing you're safe now.' Bruce feels like he has a really bad hangover. Alfred pulls open the blinds and Bruce starts shrieking because his skin is on fire! He looks in the mirror and sees that he has vampire fangs. The second episode was going to focus on Batman trying to cure himself of the vampire taint. We were going to say he wasn't a supernatural vampire but a biological vampire, with a chemical substance in his bloodstream. He's in the Batcave frantically trying to cure himself and at the same time he's looking at Alfred, thinking, 'God, he looks really tasty.' He's about to attack Alfred, when he realizes, 'This is horrible, I'm not gonna have time to cure myself of being a vampire; I'll have to destroy myself before I'm a danger to anybody!' Alfred says, 'Just calm down. You're too distraught to cure yourself. I'll go get Kirk Langstrom. He's the best guy to help you. Just lie down and relax!' Bruce tries to relax, but he can't control the bloodlust. Batman goes out to Gotham City looking for victims when he realizes at the last minute that he must cure himself. That was as far as we got, but we thought that would make a great two-parter. The Fox Network said, 'Nope, can't do it! First of all, you can't do vampires. You can't have anybody sucking anybody else's blood. You also can't have Batman as a vampire looking for victims, you can't have biological vampires, because you can't have a disease that's transmitted through blood, it's too much like AIDS.' We went back and forth with them on this. We really wanted to do it and they really didn't want us to, so we didn't, but it would have been fun. I'm sure we would have played up all those traditional vampire cliches and put some kind of twist on them, but we never got past the development stage. I would have loved to have done it, but...We get away with monsters easily,. It surprises me, because I think some of our monsters are really scary. Monsters are great, because the network thinks of them as fantasy figures and not things that could exist in real life. The censors are concerned about drive-by shootings; things that a kid can actually get in trouble by repeating in real life. They're actually more concerned about things like parents being divorced than monsters. They don't want any mention of divorce; they don't want kids to think about that. Monsters they don't have a problem with, which is great, because I love monsters. For the most part, the network doesn't like zombies, or any living dead people-even though we have one in the second season, a 2,000-year-old zombie sorceress. It's pretty scary, but the network approved it. Somebody like Clayface isn't really horrifying, he's just gross. He looks like a big walking pile of turds. Two-Face actually scared me, the first time he turned around and revealed himself. There's something about him that gives you a weird chill. It's pretty scary. Still, Nocturna would have made a really interesting story."
  • Summary: Nocturna wants to live forever with Batman as vampire lovers. She bites him at the end of part 1. In part 2, Batman struggles with his newfound bloodlust, even stops himself from attacking Alfred. Alfred leaves to get help from Kirk Langstrom.
  • Source: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Batman did not believe Nocturna to be a 'real' member of the living dead, but actually someone with a rare blood disease.
  • Source: World's Finest Backstage Alan Burnett Interview
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: "We also wanted to do a Nocturna story - Bruce had drawn a hot model of her - but she's a vampire, which would've involved bloodletting, which was a huge no-no for kids TV.
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Summary: What stories didn't they get to do? One idea was a vampire story with Nocturna from the comics. The idea was that that she bites Batman and next morning Alfred comes in and pulls the curtain and Bruce's skin starts to bubble and burn...but Fox said "No vampires."
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: At the conclusion of the first episode of a proposed two-parter, Batman would return home after fighting the female vampire Nocturna. Come morning, when the sunlight fell on Bruce's legs, they'd start to smoke! Both Fox and WB said no way vampires could be on Saturday mornings, let alone their main character become one.
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 21
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: The one that's kind of the famous one is the female vampire story. At that time, vampires were just absolutely forbidden in children's programming. For whatever reason, they just said, "Vampires are off-limits. You cannot do vampires." There was a character that Doug Moench had created for the comics, named Nocturna. I don't think that she was actually a vampire but she was definitely a vampire type. I really wanted to do something with that character. I don't remember which writer I was just kind of banging ideas around with, I don't know if it was Paul or Alan or whoever, but I kind of came up with a quick rough sketch for a Batman/vampire story with Nocturna. Alan verbally pitched it to Fox, and they just said, "Nope. What else you got?" Just literally, flat-out "No." So... okay. "Well, what if it was... ?" We came up with all kinds of rationalizations. And they said, "Nope. Flat-out no. No vampires. You can't do it." So that was it. It wasn't like "Oh, The Great Unmade Episode." We just kind of had a notion. We didn't actually have the whole story worked out or anything. But at the same time, we were kinda like, "Aw, that's disappointing."

    Enemy Ace
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: Originally, there was a plan to show Ra's al Ghul in three time periods -- fighting Jonah Hex in the old west, Enemy Ace in World War I and Batman in the present. The creators couldn't find room for Enemy Ace, and instead just went with Hex in "Showdown"

    Firefly
  • Source: Wizard #72, page 54
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "For a long time, we wanted to use a character who uses fire as a weapon and Fox said 'no' completely," Dini says. "And now we are doing a Batman called Firefly. We did get some censor notes, but...we're using the character."

    King Tut
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #31, 1:28:50-1:29:15
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Released: May 10, 2016
  • Quote: What happens is we really wanted to do King Tut. But King Tut was owned by Fox. He was part of the TV show and not, DC didn't own King Tut and so we were like, "Uh...wait!" They've got--their version of King Tut was Maxie Zeus. So let's do that.
  • Summary: Crew wanted to use King Tut but there was a rights issue with Fox. They realized there was a similar DC villain called Maxie Zeus and "Fire from Olympus" was done.

    Cavalier
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: We've thought about using the Cavalier, and will probably get around to telling his story sooner or later

    A lot of 40s villains didn't get past Outlines
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #41 - Paging the Crime Doctor, 1:25:45-1:25:55 mark
  • Who: Martin Pasko
  • Posted: November 2, 2016
  • Summary: A lot of the 40s villains we tried to do never survived past the outline stage because--largely because Bruce didn't think they'd look good in animation.

    Black Canary vs. Catwoman
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Source: Toonzone November 27, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: ....as for that old never-produced catwoman vs. black canary BTAS story, it never got past the "vaguely-talking-about-the-possibility" stage, nothing was ever even set down on paper...
  • Source: Robin section of "Batman Animated"
  • Quote: A potentially intriguing Catwoman/Black Canary team-up was interrupted in midpitch to the network by their demand, "Where's Robin?" When the writers asked if they could omit Robin from just this one episode, Fox obliged by omitting the entire story.
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: There was a fun Black Canary/Catwoman story we really wanted to do, but the network really wanted to see more Robin episodes, and since there was no place for Robin in that one story, they torpedoed the premise.

    Riddler stories
  • Source: Riddler section of "Batman Animated"
  • Quote: There at least half a dozen full or partially completed stories in our dead script file that proved ultimately too complex or too silly to produce.

    Silent Knight
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage Alan Burnett
  • Quote: At one point we wanted to do a story without dialogue - "Silent Knight" we called it. Never happened
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Summary: On a different note, Burnett wanted to do a "Silent Knight" story with no dialogue, based on Neal Adams' "The Silent Night of the Batman." They were later able to do something similar with the Batman/Catwoman short "Chase Me".
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Shriek" Commentary, 00:44-1:02
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Years and years before we did Batman Beyond, I used to just pop into Alan Burnett's office and chew the fat. And I'd mention to you, 'I'd like to do a villain someday who could negate sound' I would like to do a silent sequence in an episode that was literally all silent. No music, no sound effects, no thing."
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Shriek" Commentary, 20:11-20:14
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: "We had a title. Silent Knight with a k."

    The Jokester and Crime Syndicate
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Posted: October 5, 2007
  • When: During Batman: The Animated Series
  • Link: Paul Dini LiveJournal
  • Quote: Anyone digging the Jokester? He was originally a character I had left over from my days on B:TAS. I never got to use him there, so I'm glad we were able to give him a home here. I'm really loving what Sean McKeever's doing with him.
  • Link: Paul Dini LiveJournal
  • Quote: To your second, I was playing around with a Crime Syndicate-like alternate world for the original Batman Animated series, but we decided to ground the first couple of seasons in "real world' stories, so we never did the mirror universe/Earth 3 type story. In the notes I made at the time, I created an anti-hero Joker, a comedian who spoke out againt the criminal Batman of that world and was disfigured by the evil Batman in return. Many of the freedom fighters of that alternate Gotham were mirror versions of "our" world's criminals who had been hurt/crippled/scarred in some way by that evil Batman. I never formally pitched the story, so I only now got a chance to pull it out of my notebooks and offer it up here for Countdown.

    Morpheus and Death from Neil Gaiman's Sandman
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Summary: Dini said they had an idea for doing a dream-like Sandman-type story with Morpheus and Death, with Batman stuck between life and death. They pitched to Neil Gaiman, who liked it, but Burnett thought it was too metaphysical. "I would do anything with Paul," Burnett said. "I'd give him as much rope as he wanted - and he'd come in and say 'I have this idea about Harley and ivy together,' and I'd say, 'Go!'" However, he added that they had rules in beginning: "No ghosts, and no Humanitas Awards." (i.e., no Very Special Episodes about drugs and alcohol). "With Ra's al Guhl, we got into that mystic area a bit".
  • Source: Dark Night: A True Batman Story
  • Released: June 21, 2016; Pages 110-115
  • Quote: Now, this story opens with Batman having the fight of his life. He's been lured to some remote spot in Gotham. Joker is holding some society bigwigs hostage. When Batman arrives, not only is Joker there, but so is every other one of his major enemies. It's a trap and they all want a piece of him. Ivy snares Batman in thorny vines that shoot out of the ground. Then Scarecrow hits Batman with his Fear Gas while both Clayface and Killer Croc move in to beat the crap out of him. Batman breaks free but everywhere he turns, there's a villain taking shots at him. Joker is loving this. He tells Batman that Harley Quinn is really holding the hostages at his hideout. Batman doesn't have a prayer of rescuing them or getting out of this alive. This is it, Joker tells him. The big villain team-up where they all band together to finally kill their common enemy. Somehow, Batman fights his way to the Batmobile. He's badly wounded, maybe he's even taken a bullet, if we can get away with it. First thing he does is call Robin and give him the location of the hostages. Just then, he hears something ticking and it's a Riddler puzzle bomb stuck to his windshield. Batman hits the seat ejector just as the boom goes off. Whoom! He's shot sky-high and barely manages to clamp his grapple onto a gargoyle way up on the side of a building. The grapple pulls Batman up, and he just hangs there, hovering between life and death.
    Then we're inside The Dreaming, the Sandman's kingdom. Batman comes to and finds he's in a sort of negative space. No villains, no Gotham, no pain for that matter. Nothing except him and a girl. Death. It seems that Death and the Sandman are siblings in a sort of dysfunctional family of states of human consciousness. That part's complicated, a little too much for just twenty-two minutes. Anyway, Death goodnaturedly tells 'The Cheater' he's dodged her for the last time. Now she will finally ease him over to the other side. That's when Morpherus, the Sandman, appears. He tells his sister that Batman is his guest in his realm and he asks Death to spare him, for now. Of course, Batman has no idea what these two are talking about. He only knows he's in the middle of some insane dream brought about by his injuries. Death's not happy, but family is family. She hangs back while Morpheus tells Batman he is responsible for more dreams than he knows. Dreams of Batman in all forms pervade human minds.
    Acting like a ghost out of Dickens' A Christmas Carol, Morpheus shows Batman how his image haunts the dreams of the wicked, scaring more than a few of them into giving up crime. The Sandman also reveals how Batman has instilled dreams of hope in the people he's saved. In his own way, Batman is a powerful agent of the Dreaming. These revelations are things Batman admits he may have felt on some level, but he's always pushed them aside in his mind in order to concentrate on his mission. Morpheus tells Batman he stands at a crossroad. He can follow Death to eternal rest, or he can allow Morpheus to wake him. Neither choice is wrong...but only Batman can make the choice. Batman knows waking means he will have to deal with pain, but he also knows he will heal. He chooses to live. There is a bright light and Batman recoils in pain. Then he's back on the gargoyle, barely hanging on, but we see the light is coming from the Batwing, and it's Robin flying down to rescue him...and the upshot is, Batman survives and goes on, because that's what he does. So let's run it by Bruce and Eric, I want to start writing this one right away.
    (Alan Burnett)Hm. It sounds too metaphysical.
    I know we said we weren't doing any supernatural stories, but I thought in this case...
    (Alan)There's not much action in it, except the beginning. I don't think we can have a character named "Death" in a cartoon. And isn't Neil Gaiman the only one who ever writes "The Sandman"?
    This idea's been in my head a while. I even pitched it to Neil at a con last year. He loved the idea of the Sandman being in a Batman cartoon. We talked casting...can we get John Hurt.
    (Alan)Look, I know why that story is important to you now. And it was good for you to pitch it. But it's just not for us right now.
  • Summary: Paul Dini recalls the story was pitched around the time he was working on Mask of the Phantasm in February 1993. It starts with Batman in the fight of his life. He was lured to a remote part of Gotham by the Joker because he took some rich people hostage. It was a trap. Harley Quinn had the hostages back at Joker's hideout. Batman is attacked by his entire Rogue's Gallery and somehow escapes to his Batmobile and calls Robin to get the hostages. He realizes there is a Riddler puzzle bomb on his windshield and it goes off. He fires a grapple line to a gargoyle and clings to it. He enters the Dreaming and meets Death. She tells him he dodged her for the last time. Her brother Morpheus intervenes and tells her he is his guest and asks her to spare him. She obliges. He explains to Batman how he is in a way an agent of the Dreaming and is in the dreams of many, striking fear in criminals and hope in children. Batman admits he knew that on some level but pushed it aside to fight crime. Batman is given the choice to follow Death to the afterlife or allow Morpheus to wake him up. He chooses to live and is still in great pain from the fight. Robin arrives in the Batwing and picks him up. Alan Burnett shot down the pitch for various reasons like it was too metaphysical and they couldn't use a character named Death on the show.
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Quote: I had an idea for a Sandman story that never happened, though I did depict it in my book Dark Night, so fans did get a sense of what it would have been like.

    "The Count and The Countess"
  • Source: Animato Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Summary: Originally this production number was assigned to an episode entitled 'The Count and the Countess.' Producer Timm sent it to a Japanese studio for complete preproduction work as an experiment. He thought it would free up the in-house staff's time for better shows. The overseas studio took months to produce even character designs and a partial storyboard, and those were drawn in a style too off-model to be useable. Production on the first season was nearing an end and with a troubled script and unacceptable preproduction work, the episode was killed. When "See No Evil" was completed (the 57th or 58th show finished), it was assigned the lower production number left empty.

    Trap at Stonegate idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "Exhausting his final lead in a current case, Batman sneaks into Stonegate Prison in order to question a connected prisoner who refuses to talk. Once there, he realizes that a trap has been set by prison kingpin Mr. Big, who comfortably runs his criminal network from within his cell. As word spreads of the Batman's presence, a riot ensues. Pursued by sworn enemies furious for revenge, Batman fights his way through the bowels of the prison, only to be captured and marched down Death Row and strapped into the electric chair. Luckily, the Riddler springs him at the last minute, not about to have the honor of besting Batman robbed from him by a bunch of low-life jailbirds."
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #13, 1:22:56-1:23:29, 1:23:31-1:23:42
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: July 20, 2015
  • Quote: And I get to the climax where Batman is wrestling with the ventriloquist dummy and he's actually--it's in a prison and there's this ventriloquist dummy that attacks him when he actually has a wrestling match with it and at that point I went, "NO!" and I threw the thing--I picked it spontaneously up and threw it and it left the door in my office and the brads came undone and so it just flew like confetti./Jean MacCurdy read the script and said, "Yeah, this is a problem." But she said you know, that's when they brought in Alan Burnett and Randy Rogel.
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #64, 11:21-11:50
  • Who: Mitch Brian
  • Released: April 17, 2019
  • Quote: It took place in the prison-Stonegate. And Batman kind of gets himself thrown into prison thinking he's gonna solve this case. Then what he doesn't realize is he's been sort of baited into a situation and everyone in prison wants to get him. And so it just becomes like this Batman is pinballed-bounced around from one villain after another as he's trying to make his way out of the prison.

    Man-Bat idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "When innocent tourists are murdered by a huge human-like "Bat", renegade Detective Bullock declares open season on the Batman, not realizing that the murderer is in fact "the Man-Bat"– a product of a misguided scientist's self-inflicted genetic experiments. The Man-Bat flies into a chemical-stealing rampage, hoping to create a serum that will transform him completely into a new species of Bat. Meanwhile, the Batman uses the trail of thefts to deduce the plan and develops his own anti-serum. Then he sets in motion a plan to lure the Man-Bat to a showdown in the skies above Gotham City."
  • Summary: Probably became "On Leather Wings".

    Scarface's Racehorse scheme idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "The demented mind of a meet Ventriloquist snaps and his machine-gun-toting puppet, Scarface, takes over, obsessed with seizing control of Gotham's gambling industry. His crime spree begins with a racetrack heist in order to ruin the opposition, but Bruce Wayne is there watching his racehorse and catches a glimpse of the thieves. Batman arrives and thwarts the robbery, eventually tracing the mad Ventriloquist to an offshore gambling barge which as become a trap to be sprung on the Batman."

    Killer Christmas toys
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "When a line of mechanical, killer toys appear in stores just days before Christmas, all signs point to the Joker. As Batman races to find their place of origin, Gotham’s TV reception is interrupted by a transmission of "The Joker's Christmas Eve Special", featuring unwilling guests held hostage with ticking bombs in their stockings. Batman has until midnight to track down the Joker’s transmission spot before the Joker goes off the air and ticking guests go into it."
  • Summary: Probably became "Christmas with the Joker".

    Killer Croc origin story
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "An animal trader is bitten by a rare species of lizard while delivering it to Gotham's zoological gardens and contracts a strange disease that hardens his skin into a bullet-proof hide. His mind is warped with an equal toughness and "Killer Croc" is born, terrorizing the city with the release of reptiles into the sewers and a plot to steal the rare lizard to create an army of invincible followers. But when his theft goes awry, Batman follows him into the reptile filled sewers and uses his detective skills to track him down."

    Catwoman becomes the hunted idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "Wealthy but cruel acquaintance of Bruce Wayne's has set up a private island where rich sportsmen pay top dollar to hunt rare big cats. When the Cat Woman gets wind of it, she journeys to the island and soon finds herself hunted. Luckily Batman arrives on the same trail and both find themselves the prizes of the hunter's most dangerous game."

    Riddler takes over a skyscraper idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "The Riddler has infiltrated the lethal security system of a newly constructed skyscraper and after robbing the building's vault, sits with his loot on the top floor and challenges Batman to come get him. When Batman arrives he discovers that the Riddler has reprogrammed the security system to destroy the Dark Knight and a dizzying array of narrow escapes ensues as he makes his way to the penthouse rendezvous with the Riddler."

    The Architect idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "Locked in the inescapable "Hard Timers" wing of Stonegate Prison, a criminal mastermind know as The Architect is sprung when the impervious walls of Stonegate are miraculously exploded. The Architect dives into the icy waters of Gotham Harbor and never surfaces. Soon, high security buildings everywhere are breached and the Batman attempts to thwart the Architect in an adventure that leads him to the Architect's secret submarine base and a battle below the waters of Gotham Harbor."

    Mad Hatter and Wonderland Gang idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "It’s "Cap Day" at Gotham Stadium, where Bruce Wayne and the Gotham populace don baseball caps chemically treated by "The Mad Hatter" and his Alice in Wonderland Gang. As paranoia sweeps the city, the episode becomes a twisted "Batman In Wonderland" as the Mad Hatter's robbery scheme uses the ensuing chaos and a disoriented Batman fights for sanity while trying to thwart the crimes."

    Two-Face's Triptych scheme idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "When two panels of a famous triptych are stolen and the third destroyed, a series of similar crimes follow, all based on stealing trios of items. In each case one is destroyed and the remaining two are seized by Two Face. Setting his sights on the trio of Batman, Robin, and Batgirl, he captures Batgirl and lures the Dynamic Duo to his estate, planning to stalk them all and destroy one of the three. But which one?"

    Bruce Thwarts Clayface idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "Bruce Wayne is personally supervising the deposit of Wayne Industry files in an underground storage facility, when Clay Face's well-armed group of thieves descend into the high security operation. Unable to change into the Batman, Wayne uses the cover of darkness and a flurry of bats from a connecting cavern to convince the villains that Batman is among them. He then must escape unnoticed and return as Batman, hoping to stop the robbery before it is completed."

    Blackbeard idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "Ocean vessels are falling prey to robberies by "Blackbeard" and his band of modern day pirates. But when an entire ocean liner disappears, Bruce Wayne discreetly charters a cruise following the missing liner's course and finds himself in the Sargasso Sea's legendary graveyard of lost ships. Discovering that Blackbeard and his band converted the liner into a hidden, half-submerged base intending to increase their piracy, it's up to Batman to stop them."

    Mr. Freeze's Arctic smuggling idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "After a freak accident in his cryogenics lab, Mr. Freeze is created and uses the lab as a front for the theft of the valuable "ice" called diamond. As museums and jewelry stores suddenly freeze and diamonds are stolen, Batman's detective skills lead him north to Freeze's Arctic smuggling operation and a battle in the snow with the deadly cold foe."

    Mad Maestro idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "When the lights come up at Gotham's Opera Hall, the wealthy audience finds all of their valuable stolen. Among the audience is Bruce Wayne and soon Batman is pitted against the Mad Maestro, whose compositions have recently been rejected by the Gotham Musical Academy. Vowing revenge on the judging committee, the madman begins a musical reign of terror from his hidden lair in the Gotham Opera House."

    Robin races to cure Batman idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "While investigating a series of crimes attributed to the mysterious Poison Ivy, Batman is poisoned, and he and Robin have only 24 hours to track down Poison Ivy and the antidote. As the Batman weakens in the final hours the salvation of the Dark Knight is entirely in Robin's hands and the clock is ticking…"

    Early P.O.V. idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "The mysterious Batman has been sighted three different times in one night by a trio of cops, including Officer Renee Montoya. As the three sit in a coffee shot, each recounts their adventure, prejudiced by their own personality and opinion of the Batman. Montoya leaves, putting elements from the stories together, and realizes that each story is part of what must be the Batman's current case. By calculating his next move, she finds herself side by side with the Dark Knight and helps him complete the criminal case."
  • Summary: Probably became "P.O.V."

    Batman Hysteria idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "The Scarecrow infects Gotham's water supply and jams TV and radio transmissions with images and sounds of the Batman, triggering an epidemic of "Bat terror" in the populace. When Batman is spotted that night, he finds himself pursued by rabid mobs of police and citizens as he attempts to track down The Scarecrow and his antidote."

    Zatanna idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Series Show Bible via World's Finest
  • Quote: "Gotham's most famous illusionist, Zatanna, promises to make the Gotham Mercantile Bank disappear on her televised special. The bank disappears, but when it returns all of the money is gone. Swearing innocence, she is jailed, but Batman's investigation reveals the crime was the work of the Gentleman Ghost. It isn't long before wolfish Bruce Wayne comes up with the beautiful Zatanna's bail bond and although immune to Wayne's charms, Zatanna is soon visited by Batman and the two of them set out to track down the Ghost and the money."
  • Summary: Probably became "Zatanna" but with the different villain.

    Rock-A-Bye Batman
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #41 - Paging the Crime Doctor, 49:49-50:04 mark
  • Who: Martin Pasko
  • Posted: November 2, 2016
  • Summary: I can answer that best by quoting the title of one of those scripts in the big box. "Rock-a-Bye Batman," where essentially Batman becomes a babysitter.

    Penguin Pictures Presents
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #54, 40:43-41:14 and 41:20-41:33
  • Posted: October 30, 2017
  • Who: Henry Gilroy
  • Quote: Some of the earlier ones I did--I did work on a story called Penguin Pictures Presents. And this was a story that I actually didn't do and it was done...I don't remember who wrote the original script but I had done some rewrite work on it. It was a story about Penguin who actually had a movie studio in Gotham City and, gosh I should have dugi t up and tried to find the outline because it probably would have cracked you up. That was one of the early stories that didn't go on./I want to say he was basically--the rough version of the story was like The Producers' plot. Kind of like he was getting this money and using this money--his movie studio was a money laundering operation.

    "The Midnight Hour"
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Quote: I wrote "The Midnight Hour" during the second season of Batman: The Animated Series. It was based loosely on an issue of a DC Comics series named Teen Titans Spotlight which I wrote back in 1987 (#14, spotlighting Nightwing, titled "Night Of the Dragon"). After I wrote it, the decision was made that we had already done the "tension between Robin and Batman" riff enough in previous episodes, so this script was never produced. Which I wasn't too happy about at the time, but these things happen in TV Land. I've always been rather fond of the script, however..."

    "Mind Games"
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Quote: written by Len Wein and myself during the second season as a sequel to the episode "The Strange Secret Of Bruce Wayne". It was, I thought, a good script that never got a fair chance, since nobody on staff particularly liked Hugo Strange as a villain. While I agree that the good doctor isn't one of the more stellar members of the Rogues' Gallery, I thought the concept of Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson forgetting that they're Batman and Robin had both comedic and dramatic potential. Here's your chance to see if I'm right.

    "Vigil"
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Quote: This story was developed by Martin Pasko, another one of the B:TAS story editors, and myself in May of 1993. I honestly don't remember the reason it never went to script -- I think the network was leary of Batman appearing too weak. I don't agree, obviously -- I think, all modesty aside, that it would've been a terrific episode. Oh well ...

    "The Darkest Knight"
  • Who: David Wise
  • Link: TMNT Website
  • Summary: Pitched a story but was deemed too dark
  • Source: Cinefantastique: Batman: The Animated Series — The 90s New Dark Knight (Vol. 24 No. 6/Vol. 25 No. 1, February 1994), page 103
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Another episode cancelled after running afoul of Fox's Broadcast Standards and Practices was titled 'The Darkest Night,' in which Batman is hypnotized into becoming the ultimate vigilante. Noted producer Bruce Timm, 'The mildest thing he does is threaten a thug while holding him over a rooftop. After he gets the information he wants, he drops the guy off the roof. Even though Robin is there to save him, BS&P said we couldn't have that happen. We decided that if we can't do the weakest thing, then this show is not worth doing.'
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #40 - The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne, 27:30-43:00 mark
  • Who: David Wise
  • Posted: October 4, 2016
  • Quote: For the full quote, Click Here
  • Summary: David Wise wrote an outline a little inspired by Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, more of a Robin story, got it okayed by Michael Reeves, but by season 2 they were going more light hearted. Batman is rushing to save Mayor Hill at a meet point but there's not Hill and blonde handsome paramilitary homoerotic Hitler youth who are personal militia of Sandford Grisham, a rich right wing extremist. Gases Batman. Grisham thinks Batman is a good idea but doesn't go far enough. Days later, Dick Grayson comes home but Alfred is missing so he goes to the Batcave. Wall of TVs showing all crimes happening. 100 crimes unfolding. Bruce sits and stares at them like a zombie, trying to choose one. Dick asks him if he's okay. Bruce picks one and tears off. Grayson goes with him. Batman hangs a robber off the edge of a building. Robber pleads with him. Batman says 'who says I want to hear anything?' and drops him. Robin snags him and barely saves him. Batman goes back to the Batcave. Robin finds Afred tied up in a closet. They call in Leslie Thompkins. She says it was going to happen someday. Will have to institutionalize him. Dick is skeptical he's gone off the edge. Robin goes to talk to the Joker in Arkham Asylum and mind screws with Robin. Robin is horrified then turns the table on Joker, saying someone will take him out or he might kill himself to stop a bad guy and he'll miss his chance to kill Batman. It will be just an accident not Joker as cause of death. Joker tells him about a drug. Robin does research for an antidote. Batman has been taunting rogues with messages affixed to rocks. As a riff on Batman Returns, for a Penguin scene, a goon would suggest robotic penguins with missiles strapped to their backs. Penguin thinks it's the stupidest idea ever. Batman invites them all to the Gotham Sports Arena for a fight. Robin tries to deliver antidote but Batman is already paranoid. Robin barely dodges a harpoon to the chest. Rogues think it's a trap and decide to leave. Batman shines a spotlight on them, armed with a suicide vest of TNT. Grisham's men have blocked the entrances. A huge fight commences. They pull the vest off Batman. Batman has the trigger and tries to climb to a safe distance. Robin reasons with him, he pauses, then gets him with the antidote. Grisham's mansion is like a hospital, he's dying in his bed. Batman and Robin show up to arrest him but the doctor has just pulled a sheet over his head. Tells them he cared about Gotham.

    10 year old traps Batman in a VR world Idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #5 - What is Reality?, 35:32-36:34 mark
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Posted: March 30, 2015
  • Summary: "About a year before when they first announced doing Batman, the idea was what can we do that's new, different, and strange? This is Batman Now. So there was this thing called virtual reality that was out there like 'Hey, what if Batman found himself trapped in a virtual reality world where there's like on this floating platform and there were pteradactyls around him. It's crazy. And then at the end, you find out the guy who's created this world that's trapped him is a 10 year old kid. This is crazy. Marty's like, 'Well, 10 year old is young. BS&P would never let us get away with having a 10 year old as a villain.' So I was, 'Ok, what if we make him 13?' And I don't remember if we wrote it up as a pitch. I don't remember if we sent it in. I don't remember anything else about it other than we had this idea about virtual reality and it didn't happen. It was sort of out there. Then they invited us to write a Riddler episode. And Riddler was already a computer villain. Well, why don't we do a virtual reality story with him?"

    Hugo Strange Pitch
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #8 - His Silicon Soul, 62:20-62:47 mark
  • Who: Marty Isenberg
  • Posted: May 11, 2015
  • Summary: Pitched a Hugo Strange story based on the Legends of the Dark Knight arc "Batman: Prey" where Hugo Strange was so obsessed with Batman, he began to think he was Batman.

    Gangster Kid Pitch
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #8 - His Silicon Soul, 62:47-63:07 mark
  • Who: Marty Isenberg
  • Posted: May 11, 2015
  • Summary: Robert N Skir pitched a mob story about a gang kid falling through the cracks and Batman tries to save him.

    "What is Reality?" Sequel Idea
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #8 - His Silicon Soul, 1:10:52-1:12:50 mark
  • Who: Marty Isenberg
  • Posted: May 11, 2015
  • Summary: Combination of "Awakenings" and "Silence of the Lambs" where all these Riddler crimes were going on while Riddler was still in a coma. They need to wake Riddler to catch the criminal because of heightened stakes. He only responded to Batman's presence. Was hypnotizing guards and doctors with post-hypnotic suggestions then Batman to do his crimes but Batman breaks free. Then Martin Pasko had him shift to working on "His Silicon Soul".

    Poison Ivy enslaving Swamp Thing
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: I really wanted to do a story about Poison Ivy enslaving Swamp Thing and forcing him to fight Batman, but the rights to Swamp Thing were tied up elsewhere at that time. I was able to eventually do a version of that story in Justice League Action.

    The One and Only Gun Story
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #14 - Perchance to Dream, 1:07:53-1:08:22, 1:08:52-1:09:00 mark
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Posted: August 3, 2015
  • Quote: Well, there was the one that didn't make it to air that's kinda famous is the story about the gun. There was a--we--I think it was Tom Ruegger and another writer, I forget the writer's name, did a story about the gun that killed his parents. And it begins with the manufacture of the gun and it takes you through the various people who had the gun until the mo--the night his parents were killed./It was and I do think the story was published as an extra on one of the DVDs. [Note: This special DVD feature has been debunked]
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #44 - Beware the Gray Ghost, 21:13-23:04 mark
  • Who: Tom Ruegger
  • Posted: January 16, 2017
  • Quote: Well, there is one story that I wrote, probably my favorite of the scripts I'd written. It wasn't early, it was midway through the first season and it was after the Gray Ghost. And it was called The One and Only Gun Story. So this was my original concept and I wrote the whole thing. We were hopeful it would get through but the network ultimately killed it and it's--it's literally... not the point of view of a gun but you follow from fade out--fade in to fade out--this gun and it starts with digging up an iron ore in a location that turned out to be an Indian burial ground so this iron ore is sort of cursed. It gets smelted and used--this particular metal is used to make a gun. And then camera stays on this gun when it's put in a drawer and it goes dark. In other words, we never stay off this gun for the 22 minutes. And it shows its history and it's the gun who kills Bruce Wayne's parents. And it's a gun that plays into different plot lines you see in the series. In the end, Bruce recovers it or Batman recovers it and melts it down and uses the same metal to inscribe on his parents' momuments with some lettering.
  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 22
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: [There was] a story about the history of the gun that killed Bruce's parents that again was too strong.
  • Link: Starburst Website
  • Who: Tom Ruegger
  • Posted: July 12, 2018
  • Quote: There was one story that I wrote that we didn't make, and I don't even know why because I spent a month writing this. Everyone knew I was writing it and they were all cool with it, and yet ultimately the network said, "Too dark, we can't do it." I've spoken about this a little bit before, but it was called The One and Only Gun Story. It started in a mine where different metals are being mined out of the ground, and we follow the metal to the factory where it's melted down and turned to steel and different things. We watch this delivered to a manufacturer - and this is all before anyone speaks -– but we find that where it’s been mined, there's a Native American there saying, "This is sacred land, you shouldn't be there." So, the metal gets turned to a gun. The camera, which has been watching this rock taken out of the ground and turned to metal on a gun, it follows this gun, it gets put in a box, and the next thing we know the box is being opened in a gun store and someone's buying the gun. You follow it home, it's put into a safe, the safe is closed, then blackness. Years pass, then it turns out this is the gun that kills Bruce Wayne's parents. We watch this gun, which gets flipped into the river and fished out by a kid. Ultimately, Bruce Wayne gets hold of this gun and, at the end of the episode, melts it down and turns it into a plaque for the grave of his parents. That's The One and Only Gun Story that the network said, "No, we're not making that!" This is self-serving, I guess, but it was a very good script. It was dramatic. Obviously, they had never aired anything like it. They were just scared. They thought,"“Oh, this is going to get us a lot of attention, and it's about guns, so we're not going to do it."
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: Revised Draft 5/28/91
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    Lo, The Creeper!
  • Source: Batman Animated, Modern Masters page 46
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Yeah, the Creeper show just didn't gel that first time around. We went back and forth on it, and a number of writers took a stab at it. It just never got to a point where we all felt happy with it, so we just dropped it.
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: Outline First Draft 3/10/92, First Draft: 5/04/92
  • Credits: Story by Gerry Conway, Teleplay by Marv Wolfman, First Draft (Michael Reaves)
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    The Golem
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: First Draft 6/23/92
  • Credits: Written by Michael Reaves
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    Razing Hellbane
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: Outline 12/04/91
  • Credits: Adapted from a story by Frank Robbins, Written by Randy Rogel
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    Mama Didn't Raise No Dummies
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: Outline First Draft 6/22/92
  • Credits: Written by Steve Mitchell and Barbara Petty
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    Never Say Uncle
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: Outline 9/4/91
  • Credits: Premise by Tom Ruegger, Outline by Garin Wolf
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    The Ape Man, Randy Rogel's Spec Script
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #24, 1:21:49-1:22:14 and 1:22:19-1:22:30
  • Posted: January 18, 2016
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Quote: It was called The Ape Man. And it was a cientist who was working and is able--he lost control and turned--he was quite a formidable opponent to Batman but it had a lot of heart to it. But I do remember the ending to it. It was really cool. And they never made that. Usually your spec script would never get made. That would be very rare because they already have a vision for the show. But I will tell you, the opening of Sub-Zero was the opening of Ape Man./The first time you meet Batman when you go to Gotham City. And that guy breaks the window. And then Batman comes down. I even had it darker you know, um, we had to lighten it up.

    Randy Rogel's 2nd Spec Script
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #24, 1:22:31-1:23:06
  • Posted: January 18, 2016
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Quote: I wrote a second script which another also really good script. That never got made either that was of a woman. What was the name of that...I have it somewhere. Where she had been---jilted lover. Oh! Was it Harvey Dent? And she--she was busy killing people. And she--she was--she had plans It was a little like Poison Ivy. It may have been too close to Poison Ivy. Yeah, but I remember that one was a cool little script.

    Ace the Bathound
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #50, 49:37-50:11
  • Posted: October 2, 2017
  • Who: Eric Radomski
  • Quote: At one point and I don't remember where it came from or who had suggest it but they were even talking about giving Batman a dog so he could have a dog in the Batcave. And it was like, "No! What the hell are you talking about?!" But they thought it would be a macho, kinda cool thing but it would still soften him and we were like, "No f**king way. We're not gonna give him a dog." And yet it was in play for a little way. It was potentially going to be one of those 'give a little to get a lot' and fortunately we didn't want to give that one so we ended up not having to.
  • Link: Watchtower Database YouTube; 42:13-42:30
  • Posted: October 23, 2020
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Quote: Paul wanted to do Ace the Bathound like on the old Batman show but Bruce was like 'No. No. No,' and finally on Batman Beyond, 'Okay, now he's old. He can have a dog. He would have a dog at this age,' But but he was not allowed to have dog on this series.

    Masks (later known as Mask of the Phantasm)
  • Link: World's Finest (PDF download)
  • Draft: Outline First Draft 10/19/92, First Draft 11/04/92, Second Draft 11/06/92, Revised Drafts 11/12/92, 11/13/92, 11/17/92, 11/20/92, 12/2/92, 12/16/92, 12/17/92, 12/21/92
  • Credits: Outline Written by Alan Burnett
  • Posted: July 27, 2020

    "Lost" radio play pilot cira 1942
  • Source: Paul Dini Tweet
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: I once pitched the idea of doing a "lost" Batman radio pilot circa 1942 with the original animated series voices, but it didn't go for a variety of internal reasons (cost, music rights, distribution, etc.).
  • Link: Paul Dini Tweet

    Catwoman Spinoff Series
  • Link: Michael Reaves Website via Web Archive
  • Source: Batman Animated
  • When: 1990s
  • Summary: Once Batman: The Animated Series proved to be a critically-acclaimed, high-rated hit, the Fox network approached Bruce Timm to create a spin-off series focusing on Catwoman in the early 1990s. Only a small amount of production work was done before the idea was eventually scrapped.
  • Source: Cinefantastique Volume 24 Issues #6 to 26, page 105
  • Quote: Catwoman's redesign for a spin-off series, now on hold, will show up second season as she turns outlaw.
  • Source: Modern Masters page 47
  • Summary: Timm never pitched it

    Robin Spinoff Series
  • Source: Batman Animated, Modern Masters page 47
  • Summary: Success of Batman: The Animated Series, Fox approached for a Robin spin-off, Glen Murakami did conceptual drawings of a slightly younger, more energetic Robin. Didn't terribly appeal to Timm at the time.

    Huntress
  • Source: Wizard #31
  • Summary: Was reported there was a Huntress story.

    Azrael
  • Source: Hero Illustrated #6
  • Released: December 1993
  • Summary: Was reported to appear in season 2 along with Jonah Hex, Ra's al Ghul, and Baby Doll.

    Catwoman-Batman Turning Point Story
  • Source: Wizard #27
  • Released: November 1993
  • Summary: A report there was an upcoming story that redefines the relationship between Catwoman and Batman. Catwoman would have a meaner edge.
  • Source: Comic Scene #40
  • Released: February 1994
  • Summary: A report there was turning point for Catwoman and Batman's relationship.
  • Source: Cinefantastique Volume 24 Issues #6 to 26, page 105
  • Quote: Catwoman's redesign for a spin-off series, now on hold, will show up second season as she turns outlaw.

    Joe R. Lansdale's Sci-Fi story on a train with a female Western DC hero
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #27, 1:41:02-1:41:16
  • Who: Joe R. Lansdale
  • Released: February 29, 2016
  • Quote: I did one science fiction...that's all I remember, it took place on a train. And it had one of the other characters from DC Western Universe. A female character, but I can't remember what her name was.

    Joe R. Lansdale and Michael Reeve's pitch of villains trying to trap Batman
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #28, 13:53-14:18
  • Who: Joe R. Lansdale
  • Released: March 14, 2016
  • Quote: Michael Reeves and I had one that we wanted to do. I think it was with Paul--Paul Dini? I can't remember. But we had this one with Batman. There were all of these traps. There was this whole story of these guys using gimmicks and traps to capture or kill Batman. And we did--we did several...we made a what's it called...a synopsis. We never could sell that.

    Growing Pains idea started with Dick Grayson
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #38, 08:29-10:20
  • Who:Bob Goodman
  • Released: September 6, 2016
  • Quote: And Paul would talk about how, and this dates back to well before Tim Drake, we're talking about the Dick Grayson Robin. This idea that in this version was Dick is at college and living in a dorm and has taken an interest in this girl and she's having nightmares or being haunted by somebody. I don't remember the exact details of that but it was kind of nebulous, he didn't have it figured out, and he, you know, takes an interest in her and tries to help her and what turns out to be true - here comes the spoiler - is that she's a bud that spawned off of Clayface. Um, that where we last saw Clayface in the first 85 was the episode "Mudslide" where Clayface and Batman had fought on bluffs over the sea in a rainstorm and Clayface got too diluted to, you know, washed with water, he couldn't hold his shape anymore and washed out to sea and we believed him dead. Um, that Clayface had survived that but was weak and didn't know if he could hold onto his shape anymore and didn't know if it was safe for him to come out so he created a piece of himself to go to the surface and report back. And when she left him, this girl lost her memory of that's what she was, who she was. And was now the individual we met, and that's what Paul had.
  • Note: This idea would later be turned into an episode in The New Batman Adventures, with "Growing Pains" and Tim Drake.

    Mad Hatter does a Hat based crime
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #42 - See No Evil, 9:08-9:56
  • Who: Martin Pasko
  • Released: November 18, 2016
  • Quote: We broke a Mad Hatter story. I pitched him something. He liked it but he had a lot of changes. Log ot notes. Par for the course. But it was Jervis Tetch/Mad Hatter more from the comics where hat themed crime as opposed to using hats for mind manipulation which is where the character has developed. And so I did all the changes. Alan liked them. And two days later, I have another meeting with him at his office on Hanna Barbera. He was packing up to go to Warner Brothers. And he says to me, "We're not going to do this." And I thought 'there goes that gig.' Right? "Bruce doesn't like the conception of the Mad Hatter. He wants to go in a different direction."

    Early Legends of the Dark Knight pitch
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #54, 40:02-40:35
  • Posted: October 30, 2017
  • Who: Henry Gilroy
  • Quote: It was basically kids talking about their--who they think Batman is. The different mythological aspects. And they did that way later. And that actually, I had basically known it was done in the comics earlier by Dick Giordano. Yeah, and it had been done in the comics probably a couple of times so I couldn't take credit. Hey, this is a great idea--story.

    Scarecrow and Horror Writer idea
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: June 20, 2008
  • Who: Michael Reaves
  • Quote: It's a story featuring the Scarecrow, and it's an idea I had back in my TAS days: A well-known horror novelist losing his ability to scare readers, who in desperation makes a Faustian bargain. Trouble, as usual, follows.

    Clive Revill voiced Alfred for 2 or 3 episodes
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume One, "On Leather Wings" Commentary 15:15-15:17, 15:19-15:23, 15:24-15:35
  • Who: Eric Radomski and Bruce Timm
  • Quote: (Eric Radomski) I'm desperately trying to remember the guy who played Alfred in this episode./(Eric Radomski) Clive Revill, that's right. Because he was later recast./(Bruce Timm) Yeah, Clive recorded 2 or 3 episodes with us as Alfred, then he went on "Summer Stock." He went on to do it, the play, so he was going to be unavailable for almost the entire summer so we had to go back and recast.

    It's Never Too Late
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #44 - Beware The Gray Ghost, 23:42-24:10 mark
  • Who: Tom Ruegger
  • Posted: November 18, 2016
  • Summary: But there's a great scene, one of my favorite scenes that didn't make it, where Batman has to go see the priest. He sees him in a confessional and they have this conversation then they cut to these altar boys lighting a candle and they see Batman leave the confessional. And one of them says, "Funny, I didn't know he was Catholic." And the network killed it.

    Pretty Poison
    A Longer Kiss
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Quote: Poison Ivy attempts to murder Bruce Wayne's best friend, District Attorney Harvey Dent with a long, deadly poisoned kiss (the length of which was cut by BS&P.)

    How Diane Pershing took over as Ivy
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #46, 15:50-16:14
  • Posted: February 21, 2017
  • Who: Diane Pershing
  • Quote: I had been hired to do a small part on that episode where they introduced Poison Ivy. And apparently, the actress who was supposed to do Poison Ivy couldn't ome for whatever reason and Andrea just looked at me and said, "Wanna take a shot at this?" I said, "Well, okay." And it was my audition. I auditioned. I mean I read the script-(gibberish)-and I did it. And she said, "Okay, you got it."

    Nothing to Fear
  • Source: Animato Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Quote: "It was written by Henry Gilroy, who had never written cartoons before," said producer Bruce Timm. "He was a film editor here and always wanted to get into writing. At the time we didn't have a story editor, so we gave it a go. When he turned in his first draft, which wasn't bad, we had hired our first story editor, Sean Derek. We immediately came to loggerheads over this show. Some of the dialogue she changed wasn't changed for the better."
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #54, 19:13-19:38
  • Posted: October 30, 2017
  • Who: Henry Gilroy
  • Quote: What's interesting though that's in the script but didn't make it into it, wasn't the final script or episode, was like as Batman--the vision was fading, he managed to take his Batarang and flips it up and hits the sprinkler and like kind of turns it on and the idea was rather than the sprinkler bails him out.

    Be A Clown
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #27
  • Released: Fall/Winter 1993
  • Quote: During the climactic rollercoaster chase, the Joker's lapel flower originally squirted acid, making the scene much more dangerous, but BS&P said that was too threatening and it was changed to the flower squirting gas.

    P.O.V.
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #27
  • Released: Fall/Winter 1993
  • Who: Kevin Altieri and Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Altieri recalled the script was much more complex when he received it: "We cut out flashbacks to Montoya's youth when she was called a liar. And flashbacks to Bullock's youth when he was playing high-school football when his dad yells at him because he was using teamwork: 'Don't be a team player, be a star. Being a team player is for losers. Go out for Number One, Pal." The cuts necessitated the addition of an action fight scene at the end as Montoya tracks the criminals to a warehouse by the docks. "BS&P had a fit because there was so much violence," said Timm. "I had to dance around it by explaining the difficulties created when we took out all those flashbacks. They had us make a number of changes. Originally, the scene where the driller is going after Montoya with the drill went on a lot longer. The guy chased her on top of a big pile of crates and he was ramming the drill into the crates. We got into a lot of trouble with that. (BS&P's) Avery Coburn said it was the most horrible rape fantasy sequence she'd ever seen. We agreed immediately to take that whole sequence out, but because it upset her so much, she really went to town on that whole episode."

    The Last Laugh
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #27
  • Released: Fall/Winter 1993
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Quote: "Other than dialogue, what you see on screen doesn't really resemble the script at all," said Altieri. "In the original, Batman kept getting garbage dumped on him."

    Eternal Youth
    No Long Bow!
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #46, 8:46-9:19
  • Posted: February 21, 2017
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Quote: But the thing that no one will ever see that was cool was because Poison Ivy is the goddess Demeter. She takes the name. I had her hunting him with a long bow. So she's like going, "Sook!" These big shafts are sticking in the trees and stuff. But BS&P was like, "We can't do long bows, it's got to be the wrist crossbow." "Why?" "Because a kid can get ahold of a bow and arrow and actually play this out. It's too close for comfort."
    Alfred in Speedos
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #46, 18:46-18:52
  • Posted: February 21, 2017
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Quote: Brad did the model sheets for Alfred in this particular episode. And what you guys haven't seen is Alfred in the pool in his Speedos.

    Alan Burnett hated an idea for Two-Face Part 2
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #24, 1:23:28-1:24:03
  • Posted: January 18, 2016
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Quote: And then I'd asked him if he had an idea, because it was Two-Face. It was a two-parter. And so I said, "Would you have an idea for the second part?" Second episode. And he goes, "No I don't." So I say, "I do." He says, "What is it?" I told him. He said, "I really hate that." I said, "Well, how about this?" He's very honest. He's very sweet, too. He doesn't say anything mean. He just goes, "I didn't like that. I hate that." So I said, "How about this? I have another idea." He goes, "Oh, that I like." So he gave me a break, he went to Warner Brothers and he hired me on staff.

    Vendetta
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Who: Frank Paur
  • Quote: Story editor Michael Reaves' script was edited by Martin Pasko. Paur redid the last act himself. "The original ending had a fight in the sewer between Batman and Killer Croc," said Paur. "Killer Croc escapes to a Seaworld park where he gets knocked into a pool of electric eels."

    The Forgotten
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Who: Boyd Kirkland
  • Quote: BS&P undercut the script's essential message, as director Boyd Kirkland explained: "There was a sequence at the beginning where Batman is wandering around the city, trying to find out why people were disappearing. It was staged with homeless people hanging around on sidewalks: families, mothers and kids. They made us take all that out of the boards. They said it was too much for kids to see that maybe a woman or a family can be out on the streets. They specifically asked that we only show men as homeless."

    Robin's Reckoning Part 1's Death Fall
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Two, "Robin's Reckoning Part 1" Commentary 9:22-9:42
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Originally, I think it was intended, at least from script stage, showing--actually showing his parents, you know, fall to their deaths but the BS&P people were saying, "Absolutely no. You're not going to do that." And so, it just, you know, it's just good fortune that it forced us to come up with a clever way of showing his parents fall to their death.
  • Link: World's Finest "Dick Sebast"
  • Who: Dick Sebast
  • Posted: January 17, 2006
  • Quote: There's an interesting sidebar to this sequence-one which I feel did weaken the impact. For some bizarre reason, network would not let us portray any strong reaction from the crowd or show Robin crying after his parent's death. They seemed to think that a display of heartfelt emotion would traumatize children, or some such nonsense. The emotional impact of the ensuing scene with Commissioner Gordon and Bruce Wayne is considerably hamstrung as a result.

    Heart of Ice
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume One, "Heart of Ice" Commentary 11:33-11:53, 11:54-12:08
  • Who: Paul Dini and Bruce Timm
  • Quote: (Paul Dini) When I started writing this script, I told this story before, I wanted to come up with the emotional, I don't know, 'finale' of it. I thought what could be more emotional than a guy sitting in a refridgerated room crying and as he cries, his tears turn into snowflakes. And that scene never really happens in the episode./(Bruce Timm) You know, I was thinking about that the other day, Paul. I bet you wrote it into the script and when I boarded that sequence at the end, I think probably when I got to that point, I literally couldn't wrap my head around the idea of tears turning into snowflakes. So realistically, I couldn't figure out how to do it. I probably just didn't do it for that reason.

    See No Evil
  • Source: Animato Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Quote: Timm recalled that the script by Martin Pasko was toned down by BS&P. "We were never allowed to put the little girl in any jeopardy. Originally, the climax was supposed to be at a lighthouse and the suit, instead of being just poisonous, was going to explode from repeated use. Ventris was going to be hiding in this lighthouse with his daughter. Batman would have had to race against time to get them. But we were not allowed to do that. That's why she escapes immediately.' Originally this production number was assigned to an episode entitled 'The Count and the Countess.' Producer Timm sent it to a Japanese studio for complete preproduction work as an experiment. He thought it would free up the in-house staff's time for better shows. The overseas studio took months to produce even character designs and a partial storyboard, and those were drawn in a style too off-model to be useable. Production on the first season was nearing an end and with a troubled script and unacceptable preproduction work, the episode was killed. When "See No Evil" was completed (the 57th or 58th show finished), it was assigned the lower production number left empty.
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #31, 1:39:00-1:39:34
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Released: May 10, 2016
  • Quote: If I recall the only one that--most stuff didn't get to script at that point--there was only that one that the See No Evil...and the funny thing was that was one of my last shows but what ended up happening was because it was numbered as 15 because it was the 15th script that was being replaced, it had the same number as the original script so that's why even though it's one of our last shows, it ends up coming up on the first DVD set.
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #41 - Paging the Crime Doctor, 1:25:57-1:26:17 mark
  • Who: Martin Pasko
  • Posted: November 2, 2016
  • Quote: In See No Evil, for example, the only show I'd taken a written by credit, that was originally supposed to be Mirror Master. But Bruce basically said--I'm sorry, the Mirror Man. Mirror Man was a 50s villain in Batman who did things with mirrors Had glasses that were mirrors. And Bruce said, "Even for us, mirrors are too difficult to animate."

    Blind As A Bat
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #27
  • Released: Fall/Winter 1993
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Quote: There was a line in the script where he gloats about how much money he would make on the sale of this copter. We altered that to him expressing his reservations about the sale. At the ADR (looping) session, (producer) Alan Burnett wrote a new line for a voice over expressing his regret at building the thing in the first place. We implied that not only had be been blind physically, but he had been blind to what his company was doing.
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #31 - Trial, 1:25:01-1:25:38 mark
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Posted: May 10, 2016
  • Quote: I remember being really frustrated when the script came in because they turned Bruce Wayne into Tony Stark. And he's not an arms dealer. He hates weapons. How can this possibly happen? Wh-wh-what's going on? And originally what had happened was going to be about a police helicopter. Blue Thunder basically. And the LA Riots had happened and we kinda had to tuck it down and not make it like police so it became a military vehicle. Th--but still it was weird Bruce Wayne selling arms.

    I Am The Night
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Who: Michael Reeves
  • Quote: Initially, we wanted to have Robin shot and that makes Batman question his whole purpose, but BS&P said no, I was surprised they said we could shoot Gordon. We couldn't show him getting shot, but that made it more dramatic.

    Christmas with the Joker
  • Source: Animato! Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: BS&P refused to approve the original script. "It started out as a much nastier, really funny script, written by a friend of Paul Dini, Eddie Gorodetsky," said Timm. "When Joker says 'I didn't have a family of my own, so I decided to steal one,' it's a regular family he's stolen, making it more intense and scary.

    Fight with Batman Duplicant in Heart of Steel Part 2
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Two, "Heart of Steel Part 2" Commentary 17:13-17:19, 17:31-17:33, 17:46-18:08
  • Who: Kevin Altieri and Bruce Timm
  • Quote: (Kevin Altieri) The board was so long and there's a sequence of with the killer Batman robot that never made it./(Kevin Altieri) An entire beautiful sequence by Brad Rader./(Bruce Timm) I remember it went on for like... it must have been 30 pages of storyboards. And it was Batman vs. the Batman Robot and I couldn't remember whether that was even in this show at all but I remember we cut it all out and of course, they thought it was too good an idea to waaste and so they wrote a whole episode around it which they eventually did and it was called His Silicon Soul.

    Perchance to Dream's suicide storyboard almost killed the episode
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #14 - Perchance to Dream, 1:15:56-1:17:05, 1:17:25-1:17:28 mark
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Posted: August 3, 2015
  • Quote: The thing I know I'd have trouble with is in order to get out of this dream, Bruce has to kill himself. And you know, he chooses suicide. And they do frown on suicide in children's programming. Yeah. So I called and I said, "This is what we're gonna do. He's gonna jump off a roof and we're gonna see the fall and then right as he's about to hit, he wakes up." And they said, "Okay." And then the storyboard came in and the storyboard almost killed that show because it was just too--it was too understandable what he was doing. We had to make it more abstract. So if you look at it, Bruce Wayne sort of runs offscreen, you don't know quite where he is, and the next scene is he's falling and the background is all in limbo./I'm sure the original line was "I'll see you in hell."

    The Underdwellers
  • Source: Animato Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Who: Frank Paur
  • Quote: We had these little public service announcements worked into the scripts, a concept we nixed real quick.
  • Source: Animato Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "BS&P took a lot out of this show," continued Timm. "Originally, the kids were to be victimized by the Sewer-King, but he was not allowed to be mean or tortorous to any of them. The impact is watered down. If we were doing it today, we probably would have decided not to do the show."

    The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #40 - The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne, 16:39-16:48 mark
  • Who: David Wise
  • Posted: October 4, 2016
  • Quote: But I didn't do that switcheroo. Robin was not in my draft. Nether was obviously Two-Face and Penguin.

    Terror in the Sky
  • Source: Animato Magazine #26
  • Released: Summer 1993
  • Quote: "Sidney Iwanter, the show's liaison with Fox, turned down an earlier script as 'too dark and ugly for a cartoon,'" noted Timm. "Kirk and Francine were on the verge of divorce because of what he did as the Man-Bat. She couldn't live with him any more. In the end they are all in the Batcave, and she bites Kirk injecting him with the mutagen. He becomes the Man-Bat again. The two end up fighting each other and fall into the abyss, killing each other."

    Order of sequences in Almost Got 'Im
  • Source: Animato Magazine #27
  • Released: Fall/Winter 1993
  • Quote: Author Paul Dini loved working with director Radomski. "He did a terrific job on changing the sequence of the villains' stories from my script so the action would build, with each story more elaborate than the other until the Joker's segment, which nothing can top. It's great and allows the wrap-up with Harley Quinn and Catwoman to be this nice funny release.

    Christmas Tree Protest in Almost Got 'Im
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Two, "Almost Got 'Im" Commentary 04:38-04:52
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: I just remember this was a big BS&P note because when I wrote this originally, it took place at Christmas time and she was setting Christmas trees on fire as a protest against cutting down Christmas trees so we made it Halloween pumpkins instead.

    Off Balance
  • Source: Animato Magazine #27
  • Released: Fall/Winter 1993
  • Quote: Three different versions of the episode aired, as the show got repeated in the rotation. "The distortion vertigo sequences weren't disorienting enough so we did retakes," said producer Bruce Timm of Sunrise's animation. "While we were waiting for them, we did effects in video with a computer that were real wobbly and quite nauseating. It worked great, but, we did that to just get the show on the air. When we got the retakes back, the film editors cut them into the episode, but dropped the video distortion effects on the whole sequence and that ran. We told them to put the effects back in, which is the version now airing.

    Save the Rainforest T-shirt in Harley & Ivy
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #18, 1:32:36-1:33:13
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Released: October 13, 2015
  • Quote: Actually when I was writing Harley & Ivy, I had wrote in the script. I actually done a little model drawing of that scene where they're hanging out together, they're both--Harley's wearing a guy's shirt and Ivy's wearing a T-shirt where I had actually drawn on the T-shirt, "Save the Redwoods" or something like that. And I indicated that in the script. We got a note from the censors saying that's a confusing message. And I--you know, she's a villain and she's advocating something good. It's like a villain can stand for something good. Certainly, saving the rainforest--I think it was saving the rainforest.

    Busy Beavers in Harley & Ivy
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #18, 1:39:12-1:39:20
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Released: October 13, 2015
  • Quote: At one point, I had--when the Joker discovers them in their hideout, he goes, "Well, haven't you been busy beavers."

    Avatar
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #47, 21-21:18
  • Posted: February 21, 2017
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Quote: And originally Thoth Khepera was supposed to be a guy and we're going like, "A guy? C'mon! You know, wouldn't it be cool if she like rises up from this goo and it's this really hot Egyptian queen?"

    Tunnel of Love in Harlequinade
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Three, "Harlequinade" Commentary 6:04-6:18
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: And to get to the hideout, they originally went to an old funhouse and they went into a tunnel of love where there were all these deadly gadgets that were coming out and Harley would say, "Duck here!" and an axe would come out, you know.

    Joker's Helicopter in Harlequinade
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Three, "Harlequinade" Commentary 19:40-19:49
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Because what was this originally in the script? Was it just a helicopter? And then Kevin changed it to an old War War One plane?
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #13, 1:25:32-1:25:57
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: July 20, 2015
  • Quote: And the climax in the script even if you got a copy of the script, it would say the Joker's in the helicopter. But when I got it, I'd go, "Hey, I'm gonna do, you know, like a Martin Bomber with twin Lewis machine guns in the front. And we'll do the whole Red Baron thing. And Bruce is like, "Yup, sounds good to me." Paul, "Yup, sounds good to me."

    Harley's Holiday
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #47, 41:10-41:30
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: September 5, 2017
  • Quote: There's God... Harley's Holiday. There's a couple of shots that pained me that they had to go. Oh, just more stuff with Veronica Vreeland and Harley and the car. Stuff that I boarded myself and I really enjoyed that part with the dad in the tank.

    Mad Hatter at start of Lock-Up
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #19, 1:01:19-1:02:00 and 1:02:11-:1:02:53
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Released: October 25, 2015
  • Quote: The original idea was in the real beginning, we see Batman and Robin taking somebody back to Arkham. And when they pitched the idea, they said, "They're taking the Mad Hatter back." And I'm like, "No, no, no. Not the Mad Hatter. He's a puss. No, no, no. You bring in the Scarecrow back. He's the master of fear and if he's afraid, whatever's inside there is going to be the most fighteneing thing ever." And they came back with, "Well, yeah, but we want to work with Roddy." Because Roddy McDowall was doing the voice of Mad Hatter./I wrote this really wonderful thing where they bring the Mad Hatter back. he doesn't want to go in. He's struggling and he grabs Robin and goes, "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The nails--teeth that bite! The nails that--" You know. He's railing. He's doing this whole Alice in Wonderland rant and it worked really, really great in the script. I loved it. And then when they did the rewrite on it, they changed it to the Scarecrow, because he's the master of fear and if he's afraid... And I'm like, "Oh, God. Why did I win that argument? I didn't want to win that."

    Lock-Up's original title was Cage Without a Key
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #19, 1:01:19-1:02:00 and 1:02:11-:1:02:53
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Released: October 25, 2015
  • Quote: And it leads to a line was the original line of the episode, my original title at least. It was called "Cage Without a Key."

    Lock-Up accused Batman of being secretly funded by Bruce Wayne
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #19, 1:25:28-1:25:53
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Released: October 25, 2015
  • Quote: Well, that was something that was in the script that got cut where the two of them are fighting and Lock-Up looks at Batman and says, "You don't think I know your secret? You don't think I know the relationship between you and Bruce Wayne? He's funding you! I know he's funding you! The same way he was funding me to keep them locked up, he's funding you to catch them!" And that got cut.

    The Terrible Trio
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #41 - Paging the Crime Doctor, 55:55-56:18 mark
  • Who: Martin Pasko
  • Posted: November 2, 2016
  • Summary:There were Batman villains called The Terrible Trio. Shark, Vulture, and some other thing. And I remembered that story from when I was a kid. And I had tried--I spent like three weeks off and on trying to break that story to get people to approve it and nobody did. They brought in other people after I moved on who ultimately nailed that character.

    Showdown
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #47, 40:31-40:57
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: September 5, 2017
  • Quote: There's one shot where Ra's al Ghul goes to Arkady and says, "Go take care of this problem." And he goes and he leaves and you see this guy's smug with a saber at his hip. That shot gets taken out. And grabs on the guy's face and the saber and shoves him off camera. And he's got the saber. That's when he gets the saber when he fights Jonah Hex.

  • Superman: The Animated Series

    1940s Retro Series
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume One, 00:58-1:00, 1:01-1:12, 1:13-1:17, 1:22-1:32 of Disc Two featurette
  • Quote: (Glen Murakami) Originally, Bruce wanted it to be in the 40's. He wanted it to be a period piece./(Bruce Timm) We did toy with the idea of doing then a very retro Superman show. I actually did a bunch of character designs that were very, very 40's looking. I mean, even more so that what we had done on Batman./(Dan Riba) That would have made the show feel as if it were an extension of the Fleischer cartoons./(Dan Riba) Bruce realized, 'No, this show has to stand on its own.' So instead of having it placed in the past, lt's place it in a sort of pseudo future past.

    Last Son of Krypton Part 1
    There was a different ending
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume One, 20:23-20:42 of "Last Son of Krypton Part 1" Commentary
  • Quote: And then the last shot we see of him in the thing, we optically darkened 'cause we actually didn't have that shot. We weren't supposed to fade out on that shot originally. We were supposed to fade out on something else and in the editing room, I realized I wanted to see the bably last so we cloned that shot from another place, stuck it in there, and optically darkened it.

    Sherman Howard almost voiced Lex Luthor
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Shriek" Commentary, 13:21-13:24
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "He was almost our Luthor."

    Clancy Brown originally auditioned for Superman
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Posted: April 27, 2004
  • Quote: the idea of blight forming/leading an "injustice gang beyond" DOES have a certain appeal....powers was obviously modeled after luthor to a degree (the whole "suave but evil tycoon" thing), and here's a fun fact: when we were casting the superman series, sherman howard was our front-runner for lex; in fact, for an hour or two, he had a lock on the part, until later that day, when clancy brown came in to audition...for SUPERMAN! now, as interesting as clancy would have been as supes, it just didn't quite work, but since we had him there in the booth, we asked him if he'd mind reading for luthor...he half-jokingly grumbled about never getting to play the good guy, and then NAILED luthor instantly....we made a mental note to keep sherman in mind for future parts, and several years later pretty much tailor-made the derek powers character for him....

    Little Piece of Home
    Dinosaur almost gifted to Bruce Wayne
  • What: Pop Up Trivia
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume One, 19:23-19:43 of "Little Piece of Home" Pop-Up Trivia Track
  • Quote: Producers considered having Superman give this dinosaur to Bruce Wayne, but the idea never made it to screen. This would have paid homage to the dinosaur that stood as a trophy in the Batcave in the Batman comics.

    Fun and Games
    Original title was "Toys in the Attic"
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #5 - What is Reality?, 1:01:56-1:01:58 mark
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Posted: March 30, 2015
  • Summary: "My title for that was Toys in the Attic."
    Superman fought a giant wind-up Lobo toy and toys based on Watchmen
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #5 - What is Reality?, 1:04:18-1:05:07 mark
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Posted: March 30, 2015
  • Summary: "Superman shows up at the Toyman's house before going to that big barn warehouse. You know he's tracking down the Toyman and he goes to the Toyman's house. He opens the door and there's this giant wind-up toy Lobo waiting for him. And this giant Lobo. They just get into it and beat the s**t out of each other before Superman, you know, lays waste to it, it's just lying there, a pile of junk. I loved that! And they like you know, 'We can't use that because we're gonna use Lobo.' and I'm like, 'Oh man.' And at one point all these toys come flying at him and toys were going to be amalgams of Rorschach and Doctor Manhattan and Nite Owl."
    The giant rubber duckie was originally Plucky Duck
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #5 - What is Reality?, 1:06:30-1:06:33 mark
  • Who: Robert N Skir
  • Posted: March 30, 2015
  • Summary: "Okay, you know what that duck was initially supposed to be? Plucky Duck."

    Stolen Memories
    Mr. Mxyzptlk was going to appear
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume One, 08:34-08:36 of "Stolen Memories" Commentary
  • Quote: He didn't make it into this one. We lost him in the second draft rewrite.

    Brave New Metropolis
    Lois goes into Luthor statue's nose
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Two, 11:29-11:31, 11:33-11:38 of "Brave New Metropolis" Commentary
  • Quote: I remember I wanted to put her in the nose...Yeah, I wanted to do that Hitchcock joke in "North by Northwest." When she starts sneezing but it never worked out.

    The Prometheon
  • Link: World's Finest "Stan Berkowitz"
  • Who: Stan Berkowitz
  • Posted: December 2, 2005
  • Quote: The original ending had aliens running across the creature in space some time later. And of course, they can't help themselves from poking this sleeping dog, and, we're led to assume, the whole thing starts all over again. This ending was in the original storyboards, but the episode simply ran too long, so it was cut.

    The Late Mr. Kent
  • Link: World's Finest "Stan Berkowitz"
  • Who: Stan Berkowitz
  • Posted: December 2, 2005
  • Quote: A bit of trivia about the episode: the man who witnesses Clark's death turns out to have bad vision, but in the original draft, I took into account that he was an old man, living out in the middle of nowhere, and wide awake at three in the morning. Why? He was waiting for the fairies to come, as he believed they did every night. Yep, the old guy was crazy, not nearsighted, and Clark discovers this at the very end... much to his relief. But I guess Alan didn't want it to look like Clark was somehow exploiting someone with mental illness. So he suggested the new ending, which everybody seems to be pretty happy with).

    Fish Story
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: The climax was Luthor setting off a bomb on the ocean floor which opens a five-mile crack. All the water in the ocean pours in, and coastlines recede by abut ten miles. As a backlash, this big tidal wave would come in and wipe out the city--and our budget for the year.

    Captain Marvel
  • Source: Wizard #92, page 46
  • Quote: "An episode set on the Justice League satellite has been tossed around. An early idea was to begin the episode with Superman and Captain Marvel arm wrestling to pass the time, but Burnett's eventual Aquaman episode developed first."
  • Source: Toon Zone Interview
  • Posted March 3, 2009
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "I think that actually goes back to the Superman the Animated Series days. We wanted to do Captain Marvel vs. Superman back then, and at that time, there was a film option on Captain Marvel that made him off-limits to us at the time. But then when we did Justice League, he was available."

    Krypto
  • Source: Comics Scene #54, Jan. 1996
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "Early on, I did come up with a pretty good Krypto story. I had a talk with Bruce where I said, 'I want to do a Krypto story,' and he said, 'NO!!!' I pitched him the story and he said, 'Its pretty good, but NO KRYPTO!!' When he made up his rules on what we will and won't put in Superman, Krypto was at the top of the 'No' list."

    Mister Miracle episode, Spectre Christmas episode, possibly Wonder Woman and Etrigan
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Source: Wizard #59, July 1996
  • Quote: We want to use Mister Miracle in an episode separate from the New Gods two-parter. We have the Spectre Christmas show. We'd possibly like to use Wonder Woman, maybe Aquaman, and some weird ones, too, like The Demon.

    Cat Grant
  • Source: Wizard #59, July 1996
  • Quote: To diversify the cast, Cat Grant has been supplanted by a new character Angela Chen, an Asian-American gossip columnist who also has her own tabloid TV show.

    Justice League (Lightray, Supergirl, Black Lightning, The Question, Nightshade, Vixen, Dr. Fate, Mr. Miracle)
  • Source: Wizard (1998)
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: Karkull's JL Website
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Source: Modern Masters p 54
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: When we were developing the Superman show, we were playing around with different ideas. So at one point we said, 'Well, what if we did Superman and the Justice League, where every episode would have Superman in it, plus two other members of the Justice League?' I sat down and did a bunch of different characters, even some that had never even been in the JLA, like the Question. We tried to put in as weird a mix as we could so it wasn't just Superman, Aquaman, Hawkman...Batman wasn't going to be part of it. He already had his own show. Jenette Kahn (DC President and Editor-In-Chief) put a stop to it. She thought it was not a good idea, since we were just reintroducing Superman to the audience, and she thought teaming him up with the JLA would [be] diminishing to him. We all kind of agreed with that, so we dropped the JLA idea
  • Source: Modern Masters p 54
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: We were toying with the idea of introducing all the characters that would be in the JLA one by one in Superman, then the last episode ever would be the formation of the JLA. We don't know if we're going to have another season on Superman at this point, but if we do, I'm sure we're going to be introducing them. "[However], the powers that be make the final decision. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, just with the mix of programming that the network wants. So this is just to say that JLA is still on the back burner. Someday, if we continue having success with Superman, Batman, and all the [other] superhero shows, someday JLA will be done. But just not right now.
  • Summary: The pitch was ultimate put on the backburner when development on Batman Beyond began in earnest.

    Jor-El Voice Chip in Clark's sportscar
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: "kenner had been urging us for years to put a talking vehicle a la "knight rider" in one of our shows (they originally wanted us to put a "jor-el" voice chip in clark kent's sportscar in STAS, so he could converse with clark, brando-style)."

    Superman Revenge Squad
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Link: Watchtower Database YouTube; 9:15-9:39
  • Posted: August 5, 2020
  • Quote: The Superman Revenge Squad is something that was an old thing in the Silver Age and I thought it would be kind of cool to update that by having them worship Superman. They see him as a deity and he turns on them because he doesn't want anybody worshiping him so they have to kill him. It's a cult that wants to kill him. DC was like 'No. Nobody worships Superman.' We don't cross that line with them.

    Anti-War Idea
  • Link: World's Finest "Stan Berkowitz"
  • Who: Stan Berkowitz
  • Posted: December 2, 2005
  • Quote: Only one, an anti-war story. Clark is sent to cover a fight between two small countries over oil, and, when he sees the carnage, he decides to intervene. Obviously, we couldn't show people dying, so I wanted to substitute an art museum and all its treasures being burned to the ground. That's what would have made Clark decide to use his extraordinary powers to stop the war. Once Superman leaves, of course, the two sides immediately go back to killing each other.

    Conspiracy Tease removed from "Little Big Head Man"
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Three, "Legacy" Part Two Commentary, Around 1:25
  • Quote: We actually planned on playing up the whole conspiracy thing with Luthor and General Hardcastle. That was gonna be a whole through line in the entire season and in fact we had to take some stuff out of "Little Big Head Man" that actually pertained to that because we thought it was going to air before this and it ended up not being.

    Legacy was originally a course correction for the series
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Posted: February 17, 2019
  • Quote: "Legacy" was meant to be more of a course correction for the show to explore deeper topics with Superman having to earn the people's trust. Themes we tackled in JLU eventually.
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Three, Start of "Legacy" Part Two Commentary
  • Quote: It was actually supposed to be the first episode of the last season and right around the time we were developing his script, we got the call to do more Batman episodes again which kind of threw everything out of whack and we knew this show was going to be really, really big so we threw it on the back burner and so it became our series finale rather than the first episode of the season. We actually planned on playing up the whole conspiracy thing with Luthor and General Hardcastle.
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Three, "Legacy" Part Two Commentary, 1:30-1:32
  • Quote: Yeah, because for this last season, we wanted to play with the idea of Superman's alien nature. That he'd done something wrong and he had to earn back Earth's trust.

    A kiss in S.T.A.R. Labs in Legacy Part 2
  • Who: Bruce Timm, Glen Murakami, James Tucker
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Three, 11:38-13:00 of "Legacy" Part Two Commentary
  • Quote: (Bruce) Here comes the bit when James Tried to steal my kiss because it was scripted that Lois is going to kiss Superman for the first time at the end of the show. So when I got the storyboard for this sequence, when they're standing in front of the Boob Tube, Lois and Ja--Did I say Boob Tube? We're watching it on a TV! Anyhow. Boom Tube. Um, James had y'know drew them both in beautiful silhouette and she kind of stroked his cheek and leaned in and kissed him. And the thing is the drawings were so good and it-- / (James) It took me a week to come up with that shot. / (Bruce) And I was tempted to keep it in, honest. I was torn because it was gorgeous but if we did that now, we got no ending. / (James) My rationale is she doesn't know he's coming back. He's gone off to Hell. / (Glen) I remember you yelling at him. "Hey!" / (Bruce) I did not yell at him. / (James) Actually you came to me very contrite that he had to change it but he was gonna. / (Glen) I remember him yelling about it though. / (James) He probably yelled about -- / (Bruce) I left it in because it was so good. Honestly, I--I went back and forth but it totally would have killed the ending.

    Granny's line in Legacy Part 2
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Three, 14:00-14:09 of "Legacy" Part Two Commentary
  • Quote: Now this line here, "I won't leave you wits enough to pick your nose"? Originally, "I won't leave you wits enough to wipe your... and we had to change it.

    Turpin was not really killed
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Link: Watchtower Database YouTube; 15:42-15:55
  • Posted: October 23, 2020
  • Quote: He was actually supposed to come back but we decided not to because it was gonna mess everything up if we did. But in that last episode he was supposed to be found in the mines of -- working.

    Superman and Lashina's bastard son
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: February 26, 2017
  • Summary: Superman and Lashina were going to have a son on "Batman Beyond". As it turned out, they originally planned on continuing this story in "Batman Beyond" by revealing that Lashina had a son who ended up deposing Darkseid and declaring war on Earth. Lashina fled to Earth to warn the Justice League, and she also told Superman that the new ruler of Darkseid was THEIR son! Superman has knocked her up during his time on Apokolips.

    Lobo Spinoff Series
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Production work was already well underway before Kids'WB! and Cartoon Network ultimate decided not to proceed with an animated series based on the ultra-violent DC Comics character Lobo. Steven E. Gordon did design work for the series' pitch, though concerns over the nature of the character ultimate led to the project never getting the green light. Production for this series took place in the mid/late 1990s.

  • The New Batman Adventures

    Nocturna (2nd attempt)
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Quote: We'd like to use her, but the network (WB Network) still says 'no' to vampires.

    Icemaiden
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet July 4, 2019
  • Summary: Mr. Freeze's Icemaidens originated from a conversation the crew had over lunch. It was originally pitched as a single Icemaiden who was eerily silent and creepy like Dr. Phibes' assistant, Vulnavia of "The Abominable Dr. Phibes" and "Dr. Phibes Rises Again" movies starring Vincent Price.
  • Quote: The Icemaidens idea came from a conversation we had over lunch. As originally pitched, she (we only talked about one him having one ice maiden) was to be eerily silent and creepy like Dr. Phibes' assistant, Vulnavia, instead of the ice pun chatterbox we got.

    Ra's al Ghul and Poison Ivy team-up
  • Source: Paul Dini Tweet
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: Actually, it was on my "to do" list. The early replacement of "The New Batman & Superman Adventures" by "Batman Beyond" torpedoed that. Maybe someday, in some other medium.
  • Link: Paul Dini Tweet

    Manhunter was never on the table
  • Who: Dan Riba
  • Link: Watchtower Database YouTube; 43:30-43:59, 44:22-44:30
  • Posted: October 23, 2020
  • Quote: The one that that hurts is the uh, the Simonson, uh, Manhunter because I love those comics, I think that's awesome and the look that I gave was the look that I was like, 'Uh!' And Bruce was, 'Y'know, the comics are great...' but he hated the costume. He always thought it was too colorful and too broad and complicated and whatever so he just didn't think it would make a good animated character...When we were bringing in Creeper and stuff that I think someone mentioned it and Bruce was 'Ah, no! No!' and Glenn was like 'No, Bruce hates the costume,' and I -- you know whatever.

    Copperhead
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 55:48-55:51, 56-56:10 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: We looked at doing Copperhead. We never did get around to doing Copperhead./I actually had a pretty good outline at one point. I can't remember what the story was but it was a pretty good Copperhead outline that was written when we weren't sure whether there were going to be more episodes coming around.

    Tweedledum and Tweedledee
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 56:14-57:12 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: And one I couldn't get Alan to bite on but really like this idea was there in the comics, there's a pair of villains called Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Um, I had the idea of telling the story from the standpoint he's, Boss Tweed is this political character who was doing crimes and Batman knows he's doing crimes but he always has an alibi. Batman can't figure out why he always has an alibi. And we don't reveal it until very late into the story that he has a twin, uh, going on, there's actually two of them and they would have a psychic connection so they always knew what the other knew so Batman couldn't trip them up by saying, "Well, you didn't know this..." or something. So I thought that would be really interesting but we were never able to get that story off the ground.

    Double Talk
    Barbara's Role reduced for positive inclusion
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #36 - Double Talk, 45:09-45:17, 46:03-46:57 mark
  • Who: Bob Goodman
  • Posted: July 18, 2016
  • Quote: In Double Talk, that Batgirl had a big part in the episode for awhile. I don't kn--is she in the episode in the end now?/And the network had requested that we balance that with a good portrayal of a little person. And so if you remember, the woman who ran the halfway house in Double Talk, I hope I'm right about this, was played by Zelda Rubinstein. And, yeah, I think it was her and so we needed to add this other character and it was a role structurally that was previously going to be filled by Barbara/Batgirl. Um, that since the halfway house was part of the Wayne conglomerate--that it was Wayne Manor's halfway house, that we were going to have Barbara being the one checking on him. She had to for reasons of real estate, drop away to meet that condition.
  • Note: The role of Mrs. Segar was played by Patty Maloney, not Zelda Rubinstein.

    Over The Edge
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Posted: January 1, 2005
  • Quote: in "over the edge", barb's impact onto gordon's car was originally staged OUTSIDE the car, with the camera aimed at the FRONT of the windshield (basically the exact reverse angle of the finished shot), with barb landing hard on the hood in the immediate foreground....it WAS kinda shocking and violent-looking, and bs&p wanted us to tone it down....so i suggested shooting the scene from the "backseat" of the car, and they went for it....now, the minute i re-drew the shot, i knew it was probably TWENTY TIMES more horrifying than the original staging, but i sure as hell didn't tell THEM that! that scene STILL makes me jump, whenever i see it...
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Posted: January 2, 2005
  • Quote: oh, they DO, always....in the "over the edge" case, they just didn't realise the impact would be worse....all they saw was that barb's figure was smaller and further away from the camera, thus seemingly a "softer" shot...they didn't take into account that putting the camera in the back seat makes the shot much more "real" (we've all seen things from that vantage point, whereas how many of us have driven around on the hood of a car?), not to mention the fact that we're seeing gordon's daughter smash into the hood of his car practically from his own point of view....oh, it's EVIL...sometimes we get lucky...

    Frying Oil Vats in Critters
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Four, "Critters" Commentary 11:27-11:45
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: This was originally scripted as a, what happens here, this was supposed to be vats full of frying oil so that when this thing happens, the chicken's gonna get fried. Someone made us change it and made it ten times worse.

    Mean Seasons
    Bruce is aged
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 42:13-42:34 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: In my original pitch for it, we were thinking about this idea of aging and getting older. I had pitched that maybe she has gas or something that turns Batman old and they need to, like, fix him but they still needed to stop this person from doing this. It got a little too complicated so we didn't go that direction.
    Calendar Girl in her cell ending
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 48:13-48:50 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: There was an additional scene in the outline that I kind of wished we'd put in just to sort of make it feel more like a Batman episode. My personal feeling is this one ends a little bit abruptly. I mean, certainly it's a strong note to end on but you--you don't have a chance to let it sink in a little bit if that makes sense. And so I did have that--that typical Batman scene of the villain in the cell at the end but in this case, she was marking on the walls, a calendar, the days until she gets out.
    Mechanical Dinosaur wasn't as mobile
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 49:55-50:09 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: In the original outline of it, it was a mechanical dinosaur but it was not one that could like roam around the backlot, you know? It was like more like what it would really be if--really be if you were doing something like that.
    Pin-Up Boys Line
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 54:17-54:38 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: Another thing that was in the original outline, was just a throwaway line was that her henchmen were the pin-up boys. And I didn't know what those were, I just thought it was sort of funny and I think it was Hilary who came up with the idea of dresssing them up as Chippendale dancers.

    Janus changed to The Judge in Judgment Day
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #32, 14:32-14:46
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Released: May 25, 2016
  • Quote: Alan, whose a big Two-Face fan and he really likes that, he sparked to that idea and so we developed it. Originally, it was going to be a character named Janus. Um, but we thought that was going to be a little obvious and so it became The Judge instead.

    Teen Titans Spinoff Series
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Summary: Very few details are available for this abandoned project. The Teen Titans animated series would have been loosely based in the same universe as Superman: The Animated Series and Batman: The Animated Series, with ties to connect the series together. Little production work is available, with the artwork above created by Tommy Tejeda during the mid/late 1990s
  • Roll Call: Flash, Aquaman, Robin, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Aqualad Kid Flash

    Catwoman and Nightwing Spinoff Series
    Birds of Prey Spinoff Series
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: The idea of a Catwoman-centric spin-off was reconsidered years later when a Catwoman/Nightwing series was pitched, in addition to a Birds of Prey animated series starring a collection of DC Comics' top female characters.
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #6 - Old Wounds, 37:54-38:14 mark
  • Who: Loren Lester
  • Posted: April 13, 2015
  • Quote: "I think there was talk of a spinoff at one point but it didn't, it never happened and I think they went ahead with a Catwoman pilot. Or something like that. They were kind of going back and forth. Nightwing or Catwoman. And they never picked up again on that Nightwing idea but I thought it would have been a great show."
  • Link: Flickering Myth
  • Posted: July 26, 2017
  • Summary: around the time of TNBA, they talked about adapting a comic called Nightfall that detailed Dick's transition from Robin to Nightwing.

  • Batman Beyond

    Pitches that Preceded Batman Beyond
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the "batman training the jr. jl" thing was just something that was verbally batted around five minutes before we came up with the BATMAN BEYOND concept in jaimie kellner's office..."batman anime" was a completely seperate concept developed by glen, alan, adam warren and me several years later...the "jl/titans hybrid" was a gimmick that we thought might make the jl concept more palatable to kids wb...the idea being that it would be a pretty straight "jl" show, but with a group of younger heroes also on the team, learning the ropes...sounds VERY "superfriends", don't it? and yes, batman would have been on the show...
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 11
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • When 1998
  • Quote: "And then there was Batman & the junior Justice League which we didn't like. He'd be training Aquaman Jr. and Wonder Woman Jr. &... By the time we got to that one, our heads were spinning, and we were thinking, "We don't want to do any of those. What do we do? We gotta come up with something quick." And, kind-of on the spur of the moment, I said, "What if we set it in the future?" Because the two things that we didn't like about the proposals were (A) they stomped on the legend and (B) they stomped on our continuity. I was all for kick-starting the show, or starting a spinoff show, but I didn't want to totally throw out the continuity that we'd established. So I said, "What if we set the show in the future, when Bruce Wayne's too old to be Batman anymore, and he has to find someone new to be Batman?" At first we were all aghast at the whole thing; we really loved the show that we were doing at the time, we really loved the revamped Batman."
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 11
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • When 1998
  • Quote: "That was something that was pitched to us, we don't come up with that concept. We had a meeting, like, 2 years ago now, with Jaime Kellner, who's the head of the WB network, and there was some concern that Batman had just been around a little bit too long in its current incarnation, even with the revamped look and everything. The shows did really, really well ratings-wise, but [the WB execs] kinda felt that we'd been riding that train for a long time, and there was also a concern that the show was skewing a little bit older than they would've liked, 'cause the advertising is aimed at children. So they were just talking about ways of freshening the show and, y'know, the words "teenage Batman" came up --- "Is there some way that we can get a teenager into the Batman suit?" And, of course, our first reaction was horror. "Teenage Batman? Aaaah!!!"
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 11
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • When 1998
  • Quote: "But they had a couple of ideas that they were throwing around that had come from outside sources, which I won't name, one of which was very much like The Phantom. It was kind-of an Elseworlds Batman, where Bruce Wayne was the latest in a long line of Batmen; there was a Revolutionary War Batman, there was a pirate Batman, all of that, and [Bruce Wayne's] just the 20th Century Batman. And we said no, we don't want to do that, that really steps on the legend; Bruce Wayne is the only Batman, at least up until that point."
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 11
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • When 1998
  • Quote: "Then one of the other concepts was, like, Speed Racer, basically, it was young Bruce Wayne jet-setting around the world before he became Batman, and the problem with that is that there's no Batman in it."
  • Source: AnimeFantastique #4
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • When Winter 1999
  • Quote: "Some of the ideas that we first talked about was doing a young Bruce Wayne show, the adventures of Bruce Wayne before he became Batman. I said, "Well, that's okay, except that there’s no Batman in it." Then there was another concept that was like the Phantom from the comics, where Bruce Wayne was just the latest recipient of the bat costume. We didn't want to do anything like that; we didn’t want to do anything that a) violated the spirit of the comics, and b) wiped out the continuity that we had established."
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Series Blu-Ray Nostalgic Tomorrow, 3:11-3:!6, 3:22-3:34, 3:40-3:45
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • When: 2019
  • Quote: "One of the ideas was younger Bruce Wayne before he becomes Batman, in a car, driving around./It was just young Bruce Wayne before he becomes--You said they pitched to you a couple of ideas and one of them was a young...Young Bruce Wayne...before he becomes Batman, just driving in a car./And then I think, because of the toy line, there was almost like Batman through the ages."

    Naming Terry
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 16
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Early models for Batman Beyond, including a "not-quite-final" version of the suit, a head shot of Terry McGinnis, and a more decrepit-looking Bruce Wayne. Timm reported that Bob Daly, the chairman of Time Warner, himself, requested a more distinguished look for the character. "He was right, of course." Timm said, "but I do love this version." And Terry's head shot dates from when the character's name was briefly changed from McGinnis to McGavin, because a producer feared confusion with author Terry McMillian; Terry McGinnis, however, sounded too much like Darren McGavin, star of Kolcak: The Night Stalker, so it was switched back to McGinnis, "which, by the way, is in honor of author Robert McGinnis."

    Before Batman Beyond
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season Inside Batman Beyond, 3:46-4:00, 4:06-4:09, 4:40-4:46
  • Who: Bruce Timm and Alan Burnett
  • Quote: (Alan Burnett) You remember the original title? The working title was for a little while...we had to find something else. We knew we did. Even before that. We were calling it "Tomorrow Knight." Thank God./(Bruce Timm) Batman Tomorrow, The Tomorrow Knight, B2./(Alan Burnett) I remember there were four titles in contention at the end.

    Alpha Red
  • Source: AnimeSuperhero Forum post
  • Posted: August 26, 2020
  • Link: AnimeSuperhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Well — at one point early in the development process, we did briefly toy with the idea of of giving Old Bruce a robot or 'Alexa'-like cyber-assistant/ companion. And then someone got the bright idea that it would be a digitized mega-file of Alfred's own memories and thought patterns, would actually speak with his voice, etc. And then someone said, 'Yeah, we can call him Alpha Red!' We all laughed for like a full minute and then agreed , 'TERRIBLE IDEA, we are NOT doing that'. Rightly so — we all instantly recognised that it would be much more poignant and effective to keep Bruce alone in that big old house with just his faithful dog to keep him company. (And of course, in the JLU episode 'Epilogue' we reveal that Bruce himself has become a cranky but doting 'Alfred' in his declining years, which I still think is an absolutely LOVELY Final Chapter for Bruce Wayne's story.)."

    Lava Lamp in Title Sequence
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 29:30-29:44
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "The lava lamp began with something we wanted to put in the main title sequence of the Batman Beyond TV series. And actually shot some footage of the lava lamp with a solarized filter on it. For one reason or another, we never did use it."

    Mr. Freeze
  • Source: Toyfare #20B (April 1999)
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: Mr. Freeze: "We were going to have an episode where Bruce Wayne opens his freezer, Mr. Freeze's head is in there in a jar, and he just says, 'Someday, Wayne. Someday I will turn your bones to ice. I will...' and Bruce just slams the door. That's what we wanted to do, but we're doing something else."

    Early Melanie Walker concept art
  • Source: Shane Glines
  • Link: Shane Glines Tweet

    Double Debbie
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 4:45-5:00
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "The Dee Dees actually I--if I remember Bruce, you came up with the idea of a villain way back when we were doing the first season of Batman called Double Debbie. And just two twin sisters who complete each other's thoughts and we never used them at the time. We sort of hung onto them."

    Dana dumps Terry
  • Posted: May 3, 2007
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "actually, that was never a part of "rats!", it was a whole nuther episode that didn't get made...it was intended to counter-act the "terry ditches dana to fight crime" trend, (see "splicers" as well as "rats!").... murakami-san's idea was to throw a bunch of crime-fightin' obstacles in terry's way as he tries to keep his date with dana, but he actually does get there on time at the end...alan burnett wanted to change the story so that terry DOESN'T get there on time, dana dumps him, and terry ends up with max on the rebound....since we couldn't agree on it, we just killed the story dead...."
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3, 1:05-1:14
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "And Glen kind of came up with, I thought, was a neat little story, and it was a little story, but I felt, out of all the different--You know, however many we were doing that season, we could afford to do one that was kind of offbeat."
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3, 1:15-1:40
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "Terry's always letting Dana down, and throughout the story, he's gonna meet her, but then he has to go fight crime or do Batman stuff, but it's important that he gets on this date with her by the end of the episode, and I wanted him to succeed in the end. I didn't have much of a story, and I think the structure was weird, but that was the whole point of it. I mean, he just shows up at the date at the end. It wasn't a big Batman moment."
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3, 1:41-2:21
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Anyhow, so Glen pitched the idea to Alan, and Alan tried to make it work as a story. Glen and I were in Japan and Alan faxed the outline to the story to the hotel, and I'm reading it and I'm going, "Oh, Glen's not gonna like this." And I get to the end and not only does Terry not make the date with Dana, Dana gets so mad at him, she dumps him, and then Terry goes to Max, and, you know, he's pouring his heart out to Max and they end up making out. And I was just, like--I got furious. Not only was Glen gonna be mad but I was furious. Like...I immediately called Alan back in the States from Japan, and I'm yelling and screaming at him, "You can't do this. If you're not gonna do the story the way Glen was originally gonna write it, then don't even do it!""
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3, 2:27-2:35
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "You came in dragging the paper next to you and going, "Jeez! What does he want out of this? What does he want? I mean, I'm trying to work with it. But I don't know. It's like...""
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3, 3:02-3:09
  • Who: Alan Burnett
  • Quote: "The whole series, the whole life, you know with one girlfriend, one steady. And I just wanted to break that up."

    AI Version of Joker
  • Posted: March 20, 2018
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: "Actually Fun Haus was a AI version of Joker I proposed for Batman Beyond when we were developing the show (in a hurry). Inque, Blight and False Face did make it though. Later I brushed it off for b:tbatb when we couldn't use toy man."

    Ace was originally a German Shepherd
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Rebirth Part 1" Commentary, 15:00-15:12
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "I remember in the original draft, he was a German Shepherd and I said, 'Nah, he can't be a German Shepherd. He's gotta be a big ugly Hound of the Baskervilles dog.' So I think later on we said he's a Rottweiler-Great Dane mix."

    Terry had his own Batcave
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Rebirth Part 1" Commentary, 19:52-20:00
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "Could the little brother be part of the adventure? Could he be in on the secret? Do you think he could have like a secret exit through the closet to the dumpster and the motorcycle could be there?"
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Rebirth Part 1" Commentary, 20:23-20:27
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Oh, that's right. We were gonna have a separate Batcave but we never did."

    Jokerz Leader was recast with Bruce Timm as the voice
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete First Season "Rebirth Part 1" Commentary, 12:56-13:12
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "What had happened was the original actor, I don't even remember his name, who played the Joker--the lead Joker, we just weren't happy with him for some reason and I was at the recording, 'Oh, he should sound like this.' And Alan was there who said, 'You should do it.' And so reluctantly, I did it."

    Curare was a Love Interest
  • Posted: February 17, 2019
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: "Curare was not initially supposed to be hideous but I didn't know that when I did the board. Glen Murakami actually wanted her to be Terry's Elektra and a romantic interest down the road. Oops!"

    Howard Groote was recast with Max Brooks over the phone
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Second Season "The Eggbaby" Commentary, 5:38-5:47
  • Who: Andrea Romano
  • Quote: "We recorded another actor. I truly don't remember who it was playing this role and we just weren't happy with the performance so we auditioned Max over the phone which is a typical way of getting voice talent."

    The Last Resort
  • Posted: March 14, 2006
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Who: Stan Berkowitz
  • Quote: "The Last Resort" was conceived in response to the Columbine Massacre, and it turned out to be the only script the network didn't want to do. It was originally supposed to be a gritty prison story, but a lot of the grit was lost when we made the revisions we had to make in order to get the network to approve the episode.

    Slim's weapon in Eggbaby
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Second Season "The Eggbaby" Commentary, 18:59-19:10
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: "That guy's weapon was actually supposed to be a leaf blower. In the script, it was described as a leaf blower, so I thought, 'That's not very...dangerous.' I'll make it a sand blaster."

    A robot thief story became Zeta
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Second Season Inside Batman, 9:29-9:51
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "I remember a robot story about a robot who was a thief who kept stealing things because it wanted to feel the same feeling - 'By taking this, I should be experiencing the delight a human has in this.' And I really liked that idea. But I just couldn't do anything with it at the time so I gave it to Bob Goodman. And he looked at it and goes, 'I can't make anything out of this.' He changed it and worked it around. That eventually became the Zeta episode."

    Cut Ace in the Hole Scene
  • Posted: August 19, 2019
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: "There was a pretty vicious fight storyboarded to show what Ace had gone through before meeting Bruce but had to cut all of it because of network standards but I think the episode works fine without it."

    Superman Beyond Ideas then The Call
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 25
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "All the way through the series," he said, "we kept talking about doing a Superman episode. We toyed around with a bunch of different scenarios, and the problem with Superman is that he's such a big icon; whatever we decided to do with him, we felt that it should be something special. So we got sidetracked, moved onto other things, and towards the end of [production on] the series, there turned out to be a script shortage -- a couple of scripts that [the writing staff] had been working on just went south for one reason or another, just weren't panning out, and so Paul whipped up this Justice League episode."

    Why Terry is recruited in The Call
  • Posted: February 5, 2005
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: a few months back i happened to be discussing The Swiss Cheese That Is "The Call" with alan burnett (i can't for the life of me remember how it came up), and i asked him, "explain to me again why the starro-controlled-superman recruited terry, with the expressed intent of finding out who the traitor was, when he HIMSELF was said traitor?" alan told me with an absolute straight face that it was superman himself (NOT starro) subconsciously fighting starro's influence...i looked at him for a long moment...he grinned, shrugged and said, "yeah, i know...pretty lame, huh?"

    Bruce Timm suggested an invalid old Lois in The Call
  • Posted: January 18, 2005
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: kinda the same deal for lois and supes....true, he's not quite immortal, but 50 years from now, the only signs of aging are a bit of grey at his temples, and he sounds suspiciously like chris mcdonald.....when we were plotting "the call", i actually suggested showing still-young supes caring for his 80-yr old invalid wife lois...i dunno, i thought it was kinda sweet, but murakami, burnett and dini just about "EEEEWWWWWWW!"ed me out of the room....

    Ten Becomes Queen
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3, 3:27-3:29, 3:30-3:42
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "I had a different idea for Ten, too./When we see the Royal Flush Gang again, she's now Queen...so Terry grabs Ten, saying, "I thought you were gonna give this up." and then takes off the mask and it's not her. That's the way I thought we could escalate the Royal Glush Gang."

    Ra's al Ghul's Voice
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3 Out of the Past, 2:41-2:51
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: "We cut it, but you actually had come up with a rationale or some sort of scientific...Remember there was a line that said, "I had my vocal cords grafted." or --"

    Unused Stories loosely reused by Hilary Bader in comic book series
  • Link: Batman: The Animated Podcast #35 - Mean Seasons, 45:26-45:59 mark
  • Who: Rich Fogel
  • Posted: July 3, 2016
  • Quote: It was during Batman or Batman Beyond, anyway, she was writing comic books on the Batman Beyond, she wrote the first run of Batman Beyond comic books and she used some of the stories that we didn't use in the series to sort of springboard off of. And so she asked me a couple of stories that didn't get used if 'I could use those' and if she could use those and I said, "Sure." And so I got like comic book credits I wouldn't have had otherwise which was kind of nice.
  • Note: Rich Fogel is credited for story in Batman Beyond Volume 2 #8 (June 2000) "Vendetta" and #9 (July 2000) "The Last of her Kind".

    Batman Beyond sequel series on Mars
  • Summary: As S:TAS and TNBA winded down, Kids WB! asked if they could do a Batman trains the Junior Justice League. Batman Beyond was greenlit instead. As Batman Beyond winded down, Kids WB! asked again about Batman trains Junior Justice League. Alan Burnett and Hilary Bader come up with Batman Beyond sequel pitch that took place on Mars. Bruce Timm, Glen Murakami, Alan Burnett, and Adam Warren came up with Batman Anime pitch. Then a Justice League/Teen Titans hybrid pitch with a short reel was made (on Justice League Season 1 DVD set). Bruce Timm talks to Mike Lazzo on the phone, he greenlights Justice League without looking at the reel.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: when BB was originally coming to a close, kids wb asked us if we had any ideas on how to do a more "kid-friendly" batman show...alan burnett and hilary bader worked up a (i kid you not) "batman on mars" pitch, which was basically just a continuation of BB...terry moves to a colony on a terraformed mars and has kid-friendly adventures there...i was really relieved when kwb showed no interest in it, as i just HATED the concept....
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 12, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it wasn't the "kiddie" aspect of BM ON MARS that bugged me....it was that it seemed to me to be just a random change of locale for no very good reason (leave alone the fact that i had serious qualms about mars being completely terraformed just 50 years from now)....it was both too much of a change in the BB paradigm, and also not ENOUGH of one, if that makes any sense... i couldn't see any appeal in it...if the mars colony architecture were still in the "frontier" stage (think ALIENS' pre-fab shack town), it just sounded drab and depressing....what kind of crime would terry fight there? rousting drunken settlers on saturday night? and if the colony were much more civilised and advanced, what makes it all that different from BBEYOND's neo-gotham? seemed kinda pontless to me... it felt to me like a general degradation of the BB concept with "desperation" scrawled over it...i would have preferred going the BATMANANIME route, if only because it would have been a whole new fresh start, with barely a tangential connection to the other series...yes, more than likely, it wouldn't have been a very good show...and it CERTAINLY wasn't aimed at our old audience, we knew they'd pretty much reject it out of hand...but remember, we were honestly trying to do a genuinely "kid-friendly" batman show, aimed squarely at the 6-11 year old demo, we were trying (for once) to create a show that didn't skew older....(unlike BBEYOND itself, which was SUPPOSED to be more "kid-friendly", but we knew from the get-go that it wasn't...)

    Batman Anime
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Source: Retro-Vision CD Rom Magazine #1, James Tucker circa 2004-05?
  • Quote: Development was done on a Batman Anime show that kind of reflects on what Teen Titans is now. And we developed a more youth-oriented version of Justice League. Thank God both of those projects never happened, although there's a tape out there of a very kiddified Justice League that included Robin and a teenage female version of Cyborg. It was our attempt to try and do something that wasn't as edgy or as dark as we would normally want to go. At the time, Kids' WB totally passed on the Batman Anime idea and we actually did test animation for the Justice League idea."
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: when we first started talking about JL, the powers that be felt that it should be pitched to kids wb first...knowing their preference for younger heroes, i was hesitant to go there, but we prepared test animation of the "female cyborg" character (glen's idea, if i remember right), and impulse too, i believe, just in case...the robin footage was just just clips from TNBA, i think.... anyhow, kids wb (thankfully, in retrospect!) passed on the BATMAN ANIME pitch...it was a VERY kiddified batman concept, but still not "pokemonized" enough for them....after the pitch meeting, the powers that be realized kids wb wasn't likely to go for JL, even with a couple of young ringers in the line-up, and we were given the go-ahead to pitch it to cartoon network...we cut the "jr. jl" clips from the presentation reel, and subsequently forgot all about 'em.... i have no idea where that footage is now, and it's probably no great loss.... as it turned out, cn never even saw the JL presentation reel, but bought the series just based on a single phone call....
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the "batman training the jr. jl" thing was just something that was verbally batted around five minutes before we came up with the BATMAN BEYOND concept in jaimie kellner's office..."batman anime" was a completely seperate concept developed by glen, alan, adam warren and me several years later...the "jl/titans hybrid" was a gimmick that we thought might make the jl concept more palatable to kids wb...the idea being that it would be a pretty straight "jl" show, but with a group of younger heroes also on the team, learning the ropes...sounds VERY "superfriends", don't it? and yes, batman would have been on the show...
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: so glen and i were mulling it over and took it as a challenge: was there a way to give kwb EXACTLY the kind of show they wanted, but still make it something that was freaky enough to be fun in its own right? we thought, "okay, rather than doing something that's just a 'baby-step' away from our previous shows, still tied to our direct continuity, etc, what if we do something that's REALLY whacked, that takes place SO far in the future, it's barely related to what we've done before"....("plausible deniability" played a factor here too)... "pokemon" was still super-hot at kwb, so we tried to combine elements of it and other "collect 'em all" anime shows ("cardcaptors", "digimon", etc) with traditional batman elements....we brought adam warren in to help develop it with us (he ended up doing most of the art for the pitch, too)...it took place hundreds of years from now, and revolved around the adventures of an all-new batman, robin and batgirl, all in their early teens....there was some kind of nano-disaster that re-wrote reality, re-creating the old bat-villain archetypes as nano-based monsters....the kids had a butler a.i. named "alpha-red" (that one was just so tacky, we HAD to do it) who also powered all their vehicles...kenner had been urging us for years to put a talking vehicle a la "knight rider" in one of our shows (they originally wanted us to put a "jor-el" voice chip in clark kent's sportscar in STAS, so he could converse with clark, brando-style), so the talking "alpha-red/batmobile" was a no-brainer....do i have to go on? anyhow, kenner LOVED the whole pitch, wanted to get started on the toy-line "yesterday!", but kwb thought it was still too "traditional", it wasn't "out of the box" enough..."batman's still too re-active...does he have to fight crime?" i pointed out that he would be fighting MONSTERS, not criminals.... "what if, instead of three kids who fight monsters, what if the three kids COMPETE about who gets to BE batman?" after a long moment of stunned silence i pointed out that if batman's not protecting the weak from the bad guys, be they monsters or criminals or aliens or what-have-you, then fundamentally, it just isn't "batman" AT ALL.....they allowed that there was probably some truth to that, asked us to give the whole thing some more thought, and invited us to come back and re-pitch it then.....the next day, i called mike lazzo at cn, pitched jl, he said "hell yeah!" and that was the end of BATMANIME...
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 12, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it felt to me like a general degradation of the BB concept with "desperation" scrawled over it...i would have preferred going the BATMANANIME route, if only because it would have been a whole new fresh start, with barely a tangential connection to the other series...yes, more than likely, it wouldn't have been a very good show...and it CERTAINLY wasn't aimed at our old audience, we knew they'd pretty much reject it out of hand...but remember, we were honestly trying to do a genuinely "kid-friendly" batman show, aimed squarely at the 6-11 year old demo, we were trying (for once) to create a show that didn't skew older....(unlike BBEYOND itself, which was SUPPOSED to be more "kid-friendly", but we knew from the get-go that it wasn't...)
  • Link: Fatman on Batman
  • Posted: July 12, 2012; 52:57-55:20
  • Summary: Fatman on Batman Episode 7 "Bruce Timm: The Batman of Batman Artists" - Podcast with Kevin Smith, Bruce Timm admits before Batman Beyond there was going to be a Batman series that would have been "Batman meets Power Rangers" that would have had a heavy anime influence. Hundreds of years in the future, an ancestor of Wayne, Consumer Products took Bruce aside and suggested pitching to Cartoon Network
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Summary: Timm also talked about this elsewhere and said it would've had a teen version of the Justice League. Alpha-Red, butler robot. An anime set in the far future with three kids who become the future equivalents of Batman, Robin and Batgirl. Timm was happy about the idea but Kid's WB rejected it and asked if it could instead be about kids competing to be the next Batman, since they wanted the tone to be more like Pokemon.
  • Link: AnimeSuperhero Forum post
  • Posted: August 26, 2020
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Few years later, when Glen Murakami, Adam Warren and I were developing our intentionally cheesy 'BATMANIME' project, Glen and I realized that that series would be EXACTLY the right fit for such a crazytown concept. Alas..."

    Justice League Kids
  • Source: Comicology magazine, Bruce Timm, before Batman Beyond
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: That was something that was pitched to us; we didn't come up with that concept. We had a meeting, like, two years ago now, with Jamie Kellner, who's head of the WB network, and there was some concern that Batman had just been around a little bit too long in its current incarnation, even with the revamped look and everything. The shows did really, reall well ratings-wise, but [the WB execs] kinda felt that we'd been riding that train for a long time, and there was also a concern that the show was skewing a little bit older than they would've liked, because the advertising is aimed at children. So they were just talking about ways of freshening the show and [...one of the potential ideas] was [a] Batman and the junior Justice League, which we didn't like. "He'd be training Aquaman Jr. and Wonder Woman Jr. and...by the time we got to that one, our heads were spinning, and we were thinking, 'We don't want to do any of those. What do we do? We gotta come up with something quick.' And, kind of on the spur of the moment, I said, 'What if we set [a Batman series] in the future?"
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  • Source: Zap2it interview link, after Batman Beyond, Bruce Timm
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: What [the WB network] was really interested in doing was Batman training a bunch of junior superheroes.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Source: Paul Dini interview on unknown website
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: Everybody wants to see [a straight Justice League adaptation] and we would like to do it, but the suits at the network keep pounding it in that it's the Kids' WB! If we were to do Justice League, all they see is a bunch of adults in suits
  • Summary: This desire for a "Justice League Kids" show was largely due to corporate thinking, as mentioned by Paul Dini
  • Source: Retro-Vision CD Rom Magazine #1, James Tucker circa 2004-05?
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Quote: Development was done on a Batman Anime show that kind of reflects on what Teen Titans is now. And we developed a more youth-oriented version of Justice League. Thank God both of those projects never happened, although there's a tape out there of a very kiddified Justice League that included Robin and a teenage female version of Cyborg. It was our attempt to try and do something that wasn't as edgy or as dark as we would normally want to go. At the time, Kids' WB totally passed on the Batman Anime idea and we actually did test animation for the Justice League idea."
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: when we first started talking about JL, the powers that be felt that it should be pitched to kids wb first...knowing their preference for younger heroes, i was hesitant to go there, but we prepared test animation of the "female cyborg" character (glen's idea, if i remember right), and impulse too, i believe, just in case...the robin footage was just just clips from TNBA, i think.... anyhow, kids wb (thankfully, in retrospect!) passed on the BATMAN ANIME pitch...it was a VERY kiddified batman concept, but still not "pokemonized" enough for them....after the pitch meeting, the powers that be realized kids wb wasn't likely to go for JL, even with a couple of young ringers in the line-up, and we were given the go-ahead to pitch it to cartoon network...we cut the "jr. jl" clips from the presentation reel, and subsequently forgot all about 'em.... i have no idea where that footage is now, and it's probably no great loss.... as it turned out, cn never even saw the JL presentation reel, but bought the series just based on a single phone call....
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: June 26, 2012
  • Summary: stills of footage
  • Source: James Tucker Tweet
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Posted: November 28, 2020
  • Quote: BT left the majority of this pitch to me (in hindsight, as a test to see if I could make it as a coproducer),so I reimagined Cyborg as a girl to add more youth and representation to the team.

  • The Zeta Project Season 1

    Zeta and Agent Lee hunted by Stalker
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: August 31, 2005
  • Who: Joseph Kuhr
  • Quote: I originally pitched "Taffy Time" as a hunter-hunted story (e.g., Most Dangerous Game) where Zeta and Agent Lee were captured and hunted by a big game hunter for sport on his private reserve. Then Bob Goodman, Rich Fogel and I met and one of them came up with the idea of using the Stalker from Batman Beyond as the villain. Then the network nixed using Stalker and suggested we use Krick, a character Bob had created who was in the show's bible, but whom they hadn't yet used. I was asked to find a "kid friendly" environment in which to set it. I gave them a list of possible locations (abandoned toy factory, futuristic amusement park, water park, museum, etc ...) and Bob liked my suggestion of the abandoned Koala Candy Factory. Bob suggested saying they had packed up and moved to Canada a few months back. We'd seen a lot of jobs shipped overseas, both in and out of our industry, and I believe this was meant as a sly comment on that phenomenon.

    Batman Beyond and Zeta vs. Brain Trust
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: August 31, 2005
  • Who: Joseph Kuhr
  • Quote: During the first season, before I was on staff, Hilary had pitched a Zeta/Terry McGuinness Batman team-up where the heroes saved some kids from the villains known as the Brain Trust from Batman Beyond. For reasons to which I am not privy, that pitch didn't get approved, but in Season 2, after Hilary had moved on to other things, Bob decided to salvage the Brain Trust part of the story and assigned me to rework it and remove Batman and add a bigger part for Ro. This is because the network was no longer interested in a BB/Zeta crossover since Batman Beyond had already ended, and Bruce Timm and company had already moved on to Justice League.

  • The Zeta Project Season 2

    Hologram Man
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: August 31, 2005
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: In the midst of our valiant efforts came a mandate from the network: If we wanted any hope of getting a renewal, we were to end the season on a cliffhanger. We were told what the cliffhanger had to be - we had to appear to kill Dr. Selig. This was not negotiable. The hand belonged to Andrea Donoso, Selig's assistant. She's the synthoid, not him; and she was charged with the solitary job of protecting him, keeping him alive. He was interested in cryogenically freezing living tissue, without damaging it. He was interested in the regenerative properties of starfish. Self-regenerating cyborgs, who can heal themselves. Synthoids made at least in part of living flesh, that's what you saw being made in the lab at the Knossos (Note: Goodman clarifies that Andrea Donoso herself was a prototype, who received upgrades as they became available). I also knew that if we did come back, the network wanted to take the show in directions I didn't want to go. So even personally, I was wondering if it wouldn't be best to let the curtain go down right then and there.

    Did Bennett Hear Selig?
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: August 31, 2005
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: Okay, I know if Bennet believes Selig or not.

    Why the Series Ended
  • Link: Watchtower Database, 49:30-49:50, 51:30-51:45, 52:03-52:05
  • Posted: October 30, 2020 (originally September 2020)
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: The real reason the Zeta Project ended was I quit. And I quit because the network made it impossible to do the show I wanted to do. They were continually pushing over the course of the show and you can see it hurting the show more and more over time. To keep it kid friendly, their version of kid friendly was no fighting, no bad guys, they had it in their heads that kids were scared by fighting on television and didn't want to see it. That kids didn't like bad guys...It had reached a point on Zeta Project between basically by the end of season 2 where I couldn't get any stories through the network except where the bad guy is weather. That's why hurricane. Flood...And the network had gotten to the point where they were dictating.

  • The Zeta Project Season 3 and Season 4

    Was Planned to be 4 Seasons
  • Link: Watchtower Database, 14:50-14:53
  • Posted: October 30, 2020 (originally September 2020)
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: Doing what was planned to be a four year arc. We only got to do two of it.

    Ro's Mother
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: August 31, 2005
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: Zee was searching for his father. If we'd gotten to develop it further, Ro's search was going to focus on her mother.

    Infiltration Unit 8
  • Link: Watchtower Database, 38:05-38:08
  • Posted: October 30, 2020 (originally September 2020)
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: I had plans for an IU8.

    What Kids WB! wanted for Season 3
  • Link: Watchtower Database, 52:17-52:43, 52:52-53:12
  • Posted: October 30, 2020 (originally September 2020)
  • Who: Robert Goodman
  • Quote: The network hated the whole Dr. Selig story from the beginning. They hated the Z--they hated that point, the serialized plot they originally bought. They had basically told us we were doing season three, it was going to be 'resolve all that.' It's why the network wanted me to kill Dr. Selig. And I wanted to leave a cliffhanger he was still alive. They actually forced me to have it seemed to...Their pitch was: we come back, Dr. Selig is dead, that's over and basically turn the show into Scooby-Doo in that Ro and Zee are understood to be good guys solving crimes. And I-I-I said you are welcome to keep doing that. I'm not their guy anymore.

  • Justice League

    Captain Marvel in Hereafter
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: May 15, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: that's exactly right, it was just a vague notion that got shot down before we could fully explore it....chances are, that part of "hereafter" would have been played much "straighter" than the deliberately off-kilter lobo version... but actually, i really like how lobo throws a jarring left-turn/ plot-twist/monkey-wrench into the story....in retrospect, capt. marvel seems kinda obvious and ho-hum in the context of a "death of superman" story.... also, however that story would have turned out with capt. marvel in it, it's very likely that we would have "shot our marvel wad", and as a result, "clash" would probably never have come about, at all....so, once again, dc said "no, you can't do that" and we ended up better off all around....funny how that always seems to happen....

    Poison Ivy
  • Source: Starlog
  • Link: Watchtower website
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: The writers have pitched Poison Ivy stories, but I don't want to do them yet. I want to try something different for as long as we can, before we go back to the Batman well.

    Kurt Busiek
  • Link: Ask the Maestro thread
  • Who: Kurt Busiek
  • Posted: January 27, 2006
  • Quote: Question "I have a question for the Maestro -- was Mr. Busiek ever considered by the JLU production team to write an episode?" Answer: Yes. Answer: [Kurt Busiek stepped in and also answered] They were even interested in one of my pitches -- but I just didn't have the time or energy to follow up.

    Jeph Loeb
  • Link: World's Finest Bruce Timm Updates on JL's Second Season
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Posted: June 6, 2002
  • Quote: Jeph [Loeb] MAY write something for us, but he's pretty swamped at the moment.

    Firestorm
  • Link: Ask the Maestro thread
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: July 7, 2006
  • Question: "And Firestorm was forbidden by DC, or just didn't make it into an episode?" Answer: We just never came up with a good script for him

    Swamp Thing, Tefe, Animal Man, Black Lightning, Phantom Stranger, Spectre, Blue Beetle
  • Link: Watchtower website
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Answer: [For example], I'd love to use Swamp Thing but he's Vertigo. We were talking about doing Tefe [Swamp Thing's daughter] at one point, but we were told Vertigo was off-limits. [...] We don't have the rights to Animal Man [and] Black Lightning isn't available to us. [...] I was going to use the Phantom Stranger in an episode, but we couldn't get the rights. It was probably a Vertigo thing [...and] I'd love to do the Spectre, but I think we got a no-go on him early on, so I never bothered to try and come up with something for him. Maybe someday [...Finally, with Blue Beetle] we were told it was a potential issue with the radio show rights owners. It just wasn't worth opening the can of worms.

    Spectre
  • Link: Delphi Forums, Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 1, 2005 4:51 am
  • Question: "which character that DC wouldnt allow you to use in JLU would you have wanted to use the most?" Answer: I did always want to do a Spectre episode, but I never came up with anything that excited the rest of the team enough.

    Mr. Mxyzptlk
  • Source: Superman: The Animated Series Volume Two "Mxyzpixilated" Video Commentary, 17:44-17:53
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "We actually toyed with--on Justice League--bringing him back. And we just never came up with story we felt was worth doing."

    Starro
  • Source: Batman Beyond The Complete Third Season Inside Batman Beyond Season 3 The Call Part 2, 3:49-3:55
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Yeah, I think Starro did come up in conversations several times while we were working on Justice League, but, you know, I was never a huge Starro fan anyway."

    Justice Society of America in Legends
  • Source: Justice League Season One "Legends Part 2" Commentary, 00:45-00:53, 02:10-02:29
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote:We'd always wanted to do an episode that was like the classic Justice League and Justice Society crossover stories they used to do in the comics every year./When DC Comics got the outline for this, they said, "Uh, you can't do that to the Justice Society."/That became our alternate possibility, is to change the characters so they're not exactly the Justice Society. You can clearly tell who they're supposed to be but they're not actually the Golden Age Green Lantern. The Golden Age Flash. And the Golden Age villains.
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Posted: Decemeber 19, 2001
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: What happened was this: from the very beginning, we intended our "JSA crossover" to be a modern-day spin on those old Gardner Fox Earth II stories...we wanted to use the golden age jsa, rather than the more recent incarnation, to contrast the "old school" superheroes with a more contemporary take on the characters....teaming-up our guys with the current JSA just didn't seem to make much sense, somehow...what we'd end up with would be just a mega-sized Justice League, with twice as many heroes to deal with....now, taking this course with the story meant that we ended up gently (but affectionately!) spoofing the Golden Age guys, with their old-fashioned primary-colored costumes, their roll call, their teen mascot, their too-good-to-be-true personalities, etc....the fun in the story comes from seeing how the Justice League react not only to the the golden age heroes, but also to the wild Golden Age villains and the whole Golden Age-styled world they live in, like an incredibly romanticized version of the late 1940's...all well and good, we thought we were on to something...the script turned out well, exciting, funny, charming, and oddly moving in its own way...
    However, DC Comics publisher Paul Levitz had some concerns with the story...he felt the story as written disrespected the JSA, and was overall an inappropriate use of the characters...we pleaded our case, but we could clearly see his point, too...the DC guys have spent a lot of time and effort in revitalizing the JSA recently, to the point here it's now one of their most popular titles....we certainly didn't want it to seem as if we were saying the JSA was a joke...no disrespect was intended on our end--quite the opposite! We wanted the story to be a love letter to the original JSA, and a bittersweet nod to simpler times...Paul saw OUR point and quickly agreed to a compromise: we'd change the names and designs JUST ENOUGH to make them NOT QUITE the JSA, but still get the point across...they're now the superheroes of "Earth Two-and-a-HALF", if you will...kinda similar to what Alan Moore was doing in his "Supreme" run....
    We went back and forth on names for our pseudo-jsa...."justice battalion", "justice squadron",etc, before settling on "justice guild" as sounding closest to the original, while making it different enough to keep the folks at DC Comics happy....
    It DID give us a few hairy moments, as all this stuff was happening at literally the eleventh hour...we were actually on the phone with the legal department, awaiting clearances on our new JGA characters' names, AT the voice-recording session...we started recording not knowing what some of the characters names were going to be....!
    It's funny how things work out...at first, we were still kinda disappointed that we couldn't use the "real" JSA, but we've come to realize that the story actually works BETTER this way...the "GL", "Flash", and "Black Canary" doppelgangers are fairly close to the originals, but the "Wildcat" clone is almost a Batman/Wildcat hybrid, and the "Atom" character has quite a bit of classic Superman in him as well...so, in effect, we're not just spoofing/paying homage to the the JSA, but also to the Fox-era Silver Age JLA, too...sweet!
    So, I know there's been a bit of grumbling about DC Comics not letting us "do" the JSA, but you won't hear any complaints from US...the folks at DC have been an absolute JOY to work with...they've given us an ENORMOUS amount of leeway while letting us play with their toys, stepping in only when it looks like we're gonna break 'em....
  • Link: James Tucker Twitter Post
  • Posted: April 23, 2020
  • Summary: Why JSA wasn't used in "Legends" was because DC was strict about killing off certain characters.
  • Quote: DC was strict in those days about what we could do. They didn’t want the JSA to "die" onscreen but what we ended up with was better. Also they mixed Ray being called Brainwave after a classic jsa villain but we ended up with Brain Ray which is better.
  • Link: James Tucker Twitter Post
  • Posted: April 23, 2020
  • Summary: Confirms the JSA concept art online is FAKE.
  • Quote: That was a fake fan draw over of footage (but very good) from the show. The JSA were never actually animated. We had to change it to the guild at script stage.
  • Link: James Tucker Twitter Post
  • Posted: April 23, 2020
  • Quote: DC just didn't want the JSA dying on tv because they'd just launched a new version of the team in the comics and they worried it would weaken sales.

    Justice Society of America in Season 2
  • Link: Lamphost Forums, Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun September 5, 2010 2:07 pm
  • Quote: Question "What ideas were you guys throwing around regarding it? I know on the Justice League commentary you mentioned that one idea was having the original seven including Barry Allen. Had you guys thought about a full roster JSA-type episode?" Answer: The original seven idea was to do an entire episode, including credits, as if they had always been the JLA, and at the end, have then=m save the multiverse, and reveal that one of the worlds they saved was "our" Justice League.
  • Link: Lamphost Forums, Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Mon September 06, 2010 11:46 am
  • Quote: Question "wow. for which season was that idea originally?" Answer: We were talking about it as early as season 2 of Justice League. Maybe before, I think it was Bruce's idea.

    Return of Orm
  • Source: Justice League Season One "The Enemy Below Part 2" Commentary, 20:19-20:28, 20:33-20:35
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: We talked about bringing Orm back. I don't know why we didn't./We talked about it. I did some designs on it.

    James Tucker wanted to use Cheetah more
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: June 18, 2004
  • Quote: well, my co-producer james tucker kept saying we should bring her back, i kept sayin', "no, she's DEAD, she has ceased to be, she is an ex-cheetah", and lo and behold, someone pointed out that she was in the paddy wagon -- all in one piece, apparently still breathing -- at the end of "i4a"...d'oh!

    Dwayne McDuffie wrote a Jon Stewart nod
  • Link: Official Dwayne McDuffie Page Tweet
  • Posted: June 12, 2018
  • Quote: Fun tidbit- #DwayneMcDuffie wrote a John Stewart/GL bit that was cut where after seeing space debris floated by through the window he said, "There it is folks. Your moment of zen."

    Forever People Helped Evacuate in Twilight Part 2
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Twilight Part 2" Commentary, 09:11-09:17
  • Who: Butch Lukic
  • Quote: But during the storm sequence, where--they were supposed to be helping the kids out.

    Adam Van Wyk boarded more Batman in Twilight Part 2
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Twilight Part 2" Commentary, 10:38-10:46
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: When the big fight breaks out in Brainiac's head, he had like this whole big thing with Batman, you know, shielding himself behind a console trying to rig the thing.

    Adam Van Wyk boarded a longer Orion vs. Darkseid fight in Twilight Part 2
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Twilight Part 2" Commentary, 10:47-10:55
  • Who: Butch Lukic
  • Quote: Well, he also had more of Orion and Darkseid which we didn't need because that would have killed your Superman bit with Darkseid.

    Adam Van Wyk boarded Lois roasting in Only A Dream
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Twilight Part 2" Commentary, 12:48-12:52
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: He had Superman frying her on screen then turning into a burning skeleton.

    Vandal Savage put on the crown in Maid of Honor Part 2
  • Source: Justice League Season Two Disc 3 Special Features (Push Right for JL logo to appear and press Enter)
  • Summary: When Vandal Savage broadcast his demands, he initially put on the crown first before he got out his list. The crown part was cut out of the final animation.

    A Better World started out with Crime Syndicate
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "A Better World Part 2" Commentary, 00:21-00:25
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: We originally planned it to be pretty much a straight-up Crime Syndicate story.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Posted: February 10, 2005
  • Question: fun fact: "a better world" STARTED OUT as a straight-up crime syndicate story, but evolved into something else while we were "breaking" the plot.....
  • Source: Superman/Batman: Public Enemies - Sneak Peek at Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, 3:32-3:37
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Couple of times we had tried to do stories with the Crime Syndicate.

    A Better World had Justice Lords replacing League one by one
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "A Better World Part 2" Commentary, 00:42-01:42
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: And as we were plotting the story out we realized this story got a little bit weirder and it became a little bit more about the actual Justice League guys. We realized it would better not make these guys the actual Crime Syndicate. They should actually be our basically guys in an alternate timeline and they went a different way. The thing is about the Crime Syndicate is they're straight up evil. They're not good at all. They're genuinely evil. And it's much more interesting and dramatic to shine a darkness shade on our actual characters so we came with with this storyline. I remember at one point we had all sorts of weird ways to take this story. At one point, we talked about the possibility of the Justice Lords having infiltrated our universe and slowly replaced our guys one by one. And they only found it out halfway through the story.

    A Better World might have had a Justice Lords main title sequence
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "A Better World Part 2" Commentary, 1:48-1:49
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: We were gonna do a Justice Lords main title, yeah.

    Rejected Justice League uniforms used for Justice Lords
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "A Better World Part 2" Commentary, 03:23-03:30, 03:34-03:36
  • Who: Bruce Timm and James Tucker
  • Quote: (Bruce Timm) Well, even when we were starting on Justice League, you toyed with the idea of coming up with a uniform look to the Justice League's costumes./(James Tucker) And you brought them out and they worked for this.

    Killer Frost's Identity
  • Link: James Tucker Twitter Post
  • Posted: October 21, 2020
  • Quote: "We never discussed which version to use but given there was no Firestorm in DCAU, and all the comic book Killer Frosts are connected to him, I'd say the DCAU is a separate creation."

    Wild Cards
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: May 5 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it was VERY tricky to storyboard....we originally wanted to "play fair" and have ALL the camera angles in joker's telecast be from actual live "on site" cameras (like those first few shots that you mentioned) but it was just too limiting, we needed more "coverage" (variety of camera angles) just to keep the thing moving; we had to start "cheating" the angles pretty quick, and tried to cover it with joker's line about setting up "hundreds of cameras all over vegas", and showing the occasional cameraman "accidentally" being seen in someone else's viewfinder....
    yes, boarding it was difficult, and editing it was a NIGHTMARE...just getting joker's down-in-the-corner readout to synch-up with the "in scene" clocks turned out to be way trickier than we thought it would be (we had to call a whole lot of very precise re-takes just for that)...we realized AFTER the ep had been tele-cine'd (i.e. completed) that we'd made a logical error: after the first "fake" bomb blows up, joker's corner countdown was still visible, which prematurely tipped off the audience that there were more bombs...d'oh!...so, we had to go back in, remove the countdown for a few scenes, started it back up when joker says, "there ARE 25 bombs".... also, i hated to do it, but we had to technically break the "real-time" rule during the cliff-hanger, since gl's bomb blows up twice, once at the end of part one, once at the beginning of part two....we actually had to GO BACK in time a few seconds to see the bomb go off from batman's vantage point (fortunately, no one seemed to notice this slight discrepancy)....
    also, the animation, for whatever reason, was somewhat soft when we first got it back, the timing was off, etc....the whole thing just kinda LAY there....we probably spent more man-hours in the editing bay on that particular show than any other JL episode...it seemed like practically every single shot needed some kind of trim or "speed-up" or "slow-down" or re-take...also, we felt ace's final psychedelic assault on batman just wasn't weird and unsettling enough, and since we don't have access to after-effects, we just messed around with it on the avid...after some experimentation, we ended up double-exposing a clone of each scene over the original, slightly out-of synch (off by 4 frames, if i remember right), which created a nice jittery strobing "after-image"....pretty effective, i thought...
    even the sound mix was tricky...normally, when someone's talking in voice-over on the jl com-links, we put a radio filter "futz" on it, to approximate how the chatter would sound from the receiver's p.o.v....as we were mixing, i realized that since the show was "live", any comlink chatter would have to be picked up from the imaginary "mic" on the person speaking....in other words, joker's film crew wouldn't be picking up "p.o.v."- sounding audio....so, we had to remove the radio futz...there were lots of little things like that all throughout the making of that ep, that just drove us crazy....

    Justice League's Escape in Starcrossed Part 2 was longer
  • Source: Justice League: Starcrossed The Movie, Deleted Scenes
  • Summary: Superman is still weak as the Justice League flies out of the Thanagarian ship and Flash uses his super speed funnel to dampen the rough landing in Metropolis.

    J'onn fought a Feathered Serpent in Starcrossed Part 3
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Starcrossed Part 3" Commentary, 07:25-07:36, 07:31-07:49
  • Who: Butch Lukic and Bruce Timm
  • Quote: (Butch Lukic) I remember we also had J'onn fighting a giant snake in this sequence that got cut cut./(Bruce Timm) In Bob Smith's original storyboard. Well, it was scripted, too. We had him fighting this whole feathered serpent but we just didn't have time for it so it neded up on the cutting room floor.
  • Note: The deleted storyboard can be seen third in order in the Justice League: Starcrossed The Movie, Deleted Scenes.

    Hawkman was originally in Starcrossed
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Starcrossed Part 3" Commentary, 09:37-09:45
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Because originally we wrote it with him in mind. It was originally supposed to be the real Hawkman and DC Comics said, "You cannot do this to this character. You cannot make him this evil."
  • Source: Justice League: Starcrossed The Movie, Hawkman: From Comics to Cartoons, 00:05-00:24
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Our original intention was to actually use the actual Hawkman character from the comics. We wanted to use the name Hawkman. We wanted to use his Thanagarian name which was Katar Hol. While he wasn't an out and out villain, he was definitely what you would consider a heroic character. He was somewhat of a bad guy.

    John encapsulated Hro in Starcrossed Part 3
  • Source: Justice League: Starcrossed The Movie, Deleted Scenes
  • Summary: John Stewart traps Hro Talek in an orb construct but he overpowers it with his axe strikes then the part when John makes a shield construct happens.

    Hro Talek backhanded Shayera off screen in Starcrossed Part 3
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Starcrossed Part 3" Commentary, 15:14-15:21
  • Who: Butch Lukic
  • Quote: I boarded that off screen at first and then--you drew it. I didn't want it.

    Hro Talek rammed Shayera into a wall in Starcrossed Part 3
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "Starcrossed Part 3" Commentary, 16:08-16:21
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Originally, instead of zapping her with his axe, he grabbed her by the face and rammed her head into the wall.

    Batman rigged Watchtower to fall in Starcrossed Part 3
  • Source: Justice League: Starcrossed The Movie, Deleted Scenes
  • Summary: Batman goes around consoles and prepares to destabilize the Watchtower from orbit.

  • Static Shock

    Black Lightning
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun December 06, 2009 1:23 pm
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "Was Soul Power from the Static episode "Blast from the Past" a homage to Black Lighting?" Answer: Yes. It was originally planned as a team-up, but we couldn't get permission to use Black lightning, so we ended up doing something quite different from what we had planned.

    LL COOL J
  • Link: vHive Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: December 7, 2005
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "Was it ever pitched to have a more adulterated rapper such as fifty cent or someone in static to be a villain?, i know there was lil romeo but he wasnt a villain and definently couldnt be considered adulterated." Answer: I do not think "adulterated" means what you think it does. The only other rapper I remember being pitched for Static was LL Cool J, which sounded like a fun idea to me. The network passed on the pitch, though.

    Milestone Heroes
  • Link: vHive Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: January 22, 2006
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "Why didn't Hardware, Icon, or Rocket ever appear on Static Shock?" Answer: WE toyed with all of them but the Network wanted them to be teens.

    Teen Titans crossover
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun August 01, 2010 7:55 pm
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "My question is this, you and the other incredibly talented contributors on Static Shock obviously had an idea of what you wanted to do with an apparent Titans in the DCAU (evidenced in references made in "Hard as Nails" and "Romeo in the Mix")... so who exactly would comprise this team in YOUR mind?" Answer: We had no idea. At the time, the plan was to have Titans cross over with Static shock, but we needed the episode before the Titans show would have been ready. Someone suggested Justice League instead, and we were off to the races.

    Gear spin off series pitch
  • Link: Delphi Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 22, 2005 2:47 am
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "Do you think that Gear could carry his own super hero show?" Answer: Yes. I actually pitched one a couple years ago.

    New Static Shock series Pitch
  • Link: Delphi Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 28, 2005 9:28 am
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "Have you ever pitched static as being with she-bang and gear in a continuation to static shock, like what happended to batman after batman the animated series into batman gotham knights?" Answer: Yes

    Adventures-style Comic Book pitch
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: July 21, 2004
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Question "They never did get around to a "Static Shock Adventures" book, and that's a shame. I'd have bought it." Answer: Nope. I begged DC to let us do an Adventures-style book (it's their choice, contractually). They said, "no." Repeatedly. I ask them pretty much every three months. I'll try again at San Diego.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 29, 2004
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: I wish I knew. Milestone Comics would very much like to do a Static Shock Animated comic but DC has repeatedly passed on the idea. Maybe if enough fans ask. In the meantime, there's always Mucha Lucha.

    Toys in the Hood
  • Link: World's Finest Semper on Static/Superman in "Toys In The Hood"
  • Posted: May 1, 2003
  • Who: John Semper
  • Quote: "It was the usual combination of happenstance and circumstance," says Semper. "Alan Burnett wanted to have Shaquille O'Neal come on as a guest star again this season. Shaq had done an episode in an earlier season (before my time on the show), so Burnett wanted to bring him back. I thought it would be fun to bring in Superman and have Shaq and Superman meet for the first time. That would make it a bit of history, since Shaq is such a Superman fan. This took a bit of convincing on my part, but finally Burnett seemed okay with the idea." Easier said than done, it proved. "Well, it all seemed good in theory," says Semper. "But we could never connect up with Shaq. No matter how hard we tried, he was totally unreachable during his off season. The most ironic thing was when he unexpectedly turned up at the Tower Records right next to where Warner's Animation is located. He was buying CDs, just like any other customer. Somebody in our studio who was over there spotted him, came back and told Burnett. Burnett went racing over to see if he could find him, but Shaq had left before he got there. So, again, no Shaq." So the creative team decided to continue without the famed basketball player. After all, going ahead with the most iconic superhero of all time did not seem like a problem.

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 1

    Idea to Tweak Main Seven's Costumes
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "A Better World Part 2" Commentary, 03:49-04:13
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: And in fact actually, I think for season 3, we brought up the possibility of again redesigning the characters. Not necessarily to make them all uniform but to kind of give all their costumes a little bit of a tweak. And I mentioned it to DC Comics President Paul Levitz and I barely even finished the sentence before he said, "Not the Big Three. You can do it to Green Lantern. You can do it to Flash. Not the Big Three."

    Idea to change Wonder Woman's Hairstyle
  • Source: Justice League Season Two "A Better World Part 2" Commentary, 04:10-04:!8
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: We were trying to give Wonder Woman a new hairstyle.

    Tried to cast James Marsters
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: December 14, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: see the "jlu rumor thread, part 4" for casting info...as for james marsters, we tried several times this past season to get him on JLU, came REAL close once, but his ANGEL shooting schedule kept getting in the way....maybe next season....

    Van's entrance in For The Man Who Has Everything
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: August 13, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: (by the way, we made a conscious effort to make clark's family life not TOO perfect...someone here made a valid criticism of "a knight of shadows", to the effect that j'onn's family was just too idyllic to be at all believeable, and we took that to heart....once again, the internet is your friend!...thus, van's a little bit contemptuous of farmer dad, even talks back a bit ("i know, i KNOW") and dad gets ticked off at him over the krypto-poop incident...jor-el and clark even have a testy little exchange ("oh, so you're a scientist now"), hinting at some argument in their past....we wanted clark's home life to have as much verisimillitude as possible...it really took some fine tuning at the script stage...for instance, in the first draft, van entered the story by jumping into bed with his parents, merrily blurting "happy birthday!"...it's a subtle thing, i know, but it just didn't feel "honest"...being a husband and dad myself, i KNOW it's not all sunshine and bliss 24/7...also, notice that there's no background score throughout the entire first segment of clark's dream....we were REALLY tempted to play warm, copeland-esque "americana" under it,to establish how happy he was there, but decided to play it "straight", with just ambient bg noise, etc, to immediately immerse the viewer in clark's world....)

    Mongul in For The Man Who Has Everything
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 8, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: okay, originally, we wanted to re-design mongul COMPLETELY for "ftmwhe", to make him scarier, more massive, etc, but ran out of time, so we settled for adding some darker colors here and there to his outfit.....good call, by the way, i think you're the first person to have spotted the slight design tweak....

    Clark's 'I Promise' line in For The Man Who Has Everything
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: August 9, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: so glad you brought that up....yeah, george really nailed it....it's funny, his original line reading of "i promise you, i'll never forget" that we animated to was pretty darn good, but we had him do it again in looping just to see if we could squeeze just a bit more emotion out of it...he did a number of takes that were all pretty fine, and i finally said, "george, i'm not hearing the tears", and he gave us that little extra bit of voice-cracking/choked-with-emotion delivery....everyone in the recording booth went "WOW" at the same time, spontaneous goosebumps literally crawled up my arms....i'm glad to see george finally getting the props he deserves....

    Fearful Symmetry
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: September 11, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: funny "uh oh" story....we originally wanted question to be singing the second verse: "uh oh, fell in love again last night after i swore off men..." not that we wanted to imply that question was gay (though obviously that would more than likely have been a hot topic here on TZ!), we just thought it woulda been funnier, as if he's not even noticing what he's singing.... bs&p actually allowed it, and jeffrey was game...unfortunately, the syncopation of the music kinda fights the rhythm of the lyrics at that point-- "last NIGHT af-TER i swore off MEH-ennn" -- and it was just a bit too hard for jeffrey to get the hang of it, so we just had him do the first verse instead... the fact that jeffrey ISN'T a trained singer (like, say, kevin conroy) actually makes the bit even better, i think....i love when he strains for that really high part :"IT JUST HAPPENED...yyyou walked in my doo-oor..." it's a great little "character" bit, one of my favorites in the entire dcau canon....gotta credit bob goodman for that one....

    Joe R. Lansdale was approached to write
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #27, 1:04:30-1:04:37
  • Who: Joe R. Lansdale
  • Released: February 29, 2016
  • Quote: I was approached once for the Justice League when it, later on when it became Justice League Unlimited.

    Scrapped Joker Cameo in "This Little Piggy"
  • Link: Paul Dini Tweet
  • Posted: March 23, 2020
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: More because it didn't fit tonally. It was fun to write & the crew had a laugh, but the episode had plenty of comedy already. More would have diluted the seriousness (what little there was) of the plot, and potentially the emotional pay-off between Bats and Diana at the end.

    The Greatest Story Never Told
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: September 12, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: there are no more all-out comedic episodes this season, or next, for that matter...that there were three comedies this early on in the season is the result of a series of flukes more than anything else -- it's too complicated to go into detail here, but here's a tiny "for instance": the booster gold story started out as a "straight" FIRESTORM story....it was never our intention to turn JLU into a bi-weekly jokefest....the show's gonna be pretty "straight" action-adventure from here on in....
  • Link: World's Finest (scan of Wizard Magazine issue)
  • Posted: March 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: We really would have liked to use Blue Beetle, especially when we did that Booster Gold episode. The rights weren't available.

    Dark Heart
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: December 18, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: what was SUPPOSED to have happened was that, during the time superman was off-site picking up the atom, the nano-alien assimilated the entire mesa and expanded into the surrounding area, including the area beyond the trench....i freely admit that the visuals didn't quite make that clear (one big glob of nano-goo looks pretty much like another, and the increased scale didn't really "read")....
    there are other visual gaffes scattered throughout the episode (but i'm sure as hell not pointing 'em out!)....let's just say that for such a seemingly simple plot, you guys have NO IDEA how extremely difficult and labor-intensive this episode was to do....for me, it was all worth it, for that sublime vigilante/shining knight moment alone....

    Atom line in Dark Heart
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: December 20, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: and as for atom not quipping while riding in the Wonderbra: we DID have him saying something originally, but bs&p asked us to delete it...it was something like "just don't take any deep breaths!"....we knew we were pushing our luck anyway, so we didn't mind losing the line, nosiree, not one bit...

    Bruce Timm voicing Grundy in Wake the Dead
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: December 16, 2004
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: anyhow, what happened was this: mark was in new york doing a play on broadway when "wake the dead" was to be recorded...we DO occasionally record out-of-state actors via phone-patch when we have to, but it's quite a bit more expensive (studio and technician fees are doubled, for instance, and ma bell charges an arm-and-two-legs for HER services), and seeing as how grundy only grunts and roars in the episode (and i've "stunt-doubled" mark's grundy in the past, with some success) i figured i could handle it this one time...if grundy had actually had to say real dialogue, we would have used mark, and damn the extra expense....

    Spectre and Phantom Stranger
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 22, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the reason behind the spectre and phantom stranger's JLU absence has nothing to do with religious issues or anything of that sort....more of that fan speculation-turned-rumor-turned-accepted lore that i love so much....it's simply that dc said we couldn't use 'em, period...

    Firestorm
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: April 2, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: i think i've mentioned this before, we definitely WERE planning on using him in JLU, but it just never worked out...."the greatest story never told" started as a firestorm story, but as we were breaking the story it became more and more comedic, and we soon realised it would work better with booster gold in the lead.... and actually, we had started with a quite different story altogether that we ended up killing at the outline stage...it was going to be firestorm's origin, with a jl vs. clayface "a-plot" mixed in, but it just wasn't working, so we threw it out and started over from scratch....after several more false starts we wound up with the "greatest story" plot, and then had to replace firestorm to make it work....
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: April 2, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: and THAT'S why he never showed up at all, not even as a "seat-filler / red-shirt" hero -- james and i both did a few firestorm sketches and quickly decided WE didn't really care a whole lot for his costume either! if his story had actually gone through, we would have HAD to find a way to transform the basic design into something we found visually appealing, but still retained some of the original motifs...for sure we would have kept the flaming head (you can never have too many of those) and DEFINITELY would have lost the puffy sleeves.... but when we killed the story, we realised we already had enough "background" heroes, and didn't need to bother cracking the "firestorm" code...
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: April 3, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: firestorm's ongoing "one-sided dialogue" with prof. stein was, of course, one of the things we liked the most about the character, the one signature gimmick that makes him unique (among dc heroes anyway -- the gimmick is obviously a blatant lift from mar-vell / rick jones)...but it made the story-break process even harder and more complex -- setting up ronnie raymond's back-story, introducing the professor, showing the accident that fused 'em, showing him discovering his new powers and dealing with the prof.'s disembodied voice in his head PLUS having a real JL action "a-plot", and ending with firestorm officially joining the JLU -- that's a helluva lot of story to cram into 22 minutes... one of the "false start" story ideas we toyed with for a hot minute: we were thinking of doing a story with firestorm and professor stein narrating the entire episode in "director's commentary" style.....but soon realised it would be just way too confusing to a non-geek audience, without having already set-up the firestorm gimmick in a previous episode...not to mention having TWO disembodied voices narrating the story would almost completely cancel out the effectiveness of prof. stein's usual presence...

    "Misfortune Cookies"
  • Link: J.M. DeMatteis Blogspot
  • Posted: November 17, 2017
  • Quote: I scripted seven episodes of that series-including an adaptation of Alan Moore's classic "For The Man Who Has Everything"-but there was almost an eighth. One day, way back in 2004, I got a call from two of the show's incredibly talented writer-producers, Stan Berkowitz and Dwayne McDuffie. They'd cooked up an idea-based, in part, on the Oreo addiction Keith Giffen and I had given to J'onn J'onnzz during our original Justice League International run-and wanted me to develop it into an outline. At first I thought they were putting me on-the story, especially J'onn's arc, was pretty outrageous, even by Giffen-DeMatteis standards-but they were dead serious. I remember sitting in my office taking notes as the two of them laid out the beats of the wonderful, and very funny, plot-which, had the episode made it to air, could have been the JLU equivalent of Star Trek's "The Trouble with Tribbles."
    I say "could have been" because, after I fleshed out Stan and Dwayne's tale and wrote a detailed outline (trying to do justice to the brilliant absurdity of their idea), the Powers That Be gave "Misfortune Cookies" a very enthusiastic thumbs-down and the story was consigned to limbo-and that's where it's been for the past decade.

    Hal Jordan in Alternate Universe Story
  • Link: vHive Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: January 2, 2006
  • Quote: Question "Is Hal Jordan off limits to Justice League Unlimited and does that character firmly fits into the show's contiunity?" Answer: The one time we asked to use him, DC said "yes." I have no interest in using him again (with the exception of one alternate universe story we talked seriously about doing this season but decided against) but I can't speak for Bruce and James.

    Green Lantern Hirunan
  • Link: Tommy Tejada Blog
  • Posted: Januaey 25, 2007
  • Quote: I created this one as an incidental Green Lantern Corps character for a Justice League episode. To my pleasant surprise WB used this sexy Green Lantern on other episodes also as an incidental character.

    Less Flash
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 24, 2006
  • Quote: a little bit of both "a" and "b", actually.....
    a) fact is, it IS very difficult to schedule recording times for actors who have regular prime-time gigs (strangely enough, it's actually been even harder to get carl lumbly in the studio, even though his show is shot here in town, not in vancouver)...michael's always been very cooperative, whenever he's in town he always lets us know in advance, in case we need to pick him up for adr or whatnot, and when he's in vancouver for extended periods, we record him over i.s.d.n. phone-patch (which unfortunately is technically a pain in the arse and pretty expensive as well)...and poor carl, i can't tell you how many times he's raced across town from the ALIAS set, run into the recording booth, jammed through his lines and then zoomed back to ALIAS....whenever i think of carl, i see him panting for breath....since season one of JL it's been very rare that either of them has actually recorded their lines with the rest of the cast...but they've been absolute pros, both of 'em (and just generally swell guys, too, i love 'em both to pieces)...
    b) more to the point, it wasn't necessarily that we didn't know HOW to write the flash, it was more that we weren't 100% happy with his characterisation in the two seasons of jl, and wanted to give him a bit of an overhaul....there were a few flash-centric story springboards that we toyed with during season one of JLU, but none of them panned out...meanwhile, other story ideas WERE working out better so we concentrated on those, put flash on the back burner and before we knew it, season one was almost over, sans flash....
    we made sure to bring him back prominently early on in season two, and didn't even end up tweaking his personality as much as we'd expected to....he was still "goofy comic-relief guy", but not as blantantly....also, he truly IS the most difficult superhero to write, we ALWAYS end up "cheating" his powers-usage with varying degrees of success (as EVERY writer who has ever written flash has always had to do, whether it's for comics, live-action or animation)....
    and no, no one ever told us "smallville" was more important than JLU (though, it'd be a hard point to argue if they HAD, in the bigger scheme of things) and no, michael isn't and never has been under any kind of "contractual obligation" to appear in any set number of episodes, our va contracts don't work that way.... .

    The Bruces figure out how to stop Chronos
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: Febuary 1, 2005
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Last time I'm getting into this, either it works for you or it doesn't (like Superman flying) but a time machine has to be able to communicate with itself achronally to work at all. Batman (with help from old Bruce, but it was edited out) took advantage of this. At the end, Chronos never gets to press the belt control, time loops before he touches it and he is unaware of anything unusual happening. What Batman did is retroactively program the belt to, instead of carrying David to the Watchtower as it did in part one, put itself in an infinite loop of about 10 seconds duration -which is what we saw at the end of part 2.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 31, 2005
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: Batman didn't know what conversation he dropped Chronos into, but as you suggest he did know (from the belt's activity log) to loop Chronos just before the trip that brought him to the Watchtower. He chose that point hoping to minimize changes to "our" timeline. If Batman simply returned Chonos to that point without the belt, Chronos would simply build another belt and attack again -this time with preknowledge of Batman's strategy. I imagine Chronos took several shots at various JLU members before finally succeeding in killing them. Batman looped Chronos because it was the only non-lethal way to protect the timestream.
  • Link: The vHive Forum Dwayne McDuffie
  • 1/4/2006: Question "After "The Once and Future Thing," on another site I raised the question in a review of how could Batman re-program Chronos' device being that it's computer code probably hasn't been invented yet."
  • Answer: It's just a sequence that was cut for time. Our Batman and old Bruce come up with the plan. Computer programming by the time of Batman Beyond is pretty much telling the computer what you want it to do, waiting for it to assemble efficient code to do it, then testing the program. The hard part was getting past Chronos' security software. Hard for young Bruce, that is, old Bruce has been doing this for fifty years longer than our guy. He added the part of the program to breach Chronos' security, copied the thing onto a commercial 12 terrabyte DVD and they were off.

    Shayera's new costume
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 15, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: i was SO tempted to keep her in her "wake the dead" outfit, i thought she looked awesome kicking zombie ass in her civvies....but ultimately decided she needed something a little more practical, so she WILL get a new outfit....no mask, though; she's far too pretty to keep covered up....

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 2

    The Ties That Bind
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 6, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: none of us ever liked "miracles happen" as a title, but we couldn't come up with a better one til very late in the game....we almost called it "escape velocity" at one point, but liked "ties" just a wee bit better...."the ties that bind" as some have noted, is a little on the "typical" side, but it IS appropriate for the ep...we love to use titles that have more than one meaning whenever possible ("the return", "the savage time", "a knight of shadows" etc), and that certainly applies in this case...to see HOW it applies, well, you'll have to wait a few days...

    The Balance
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: April 26, 2005
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: FYI, there was a joke in that sequence, cut for time or lameness, where Wonder Woman asks her how she knows about angels. Shayera shrugged, explaining that she'd "read the book."

    Birds of Prey in Double Date
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: December 6, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: as mentioned already, we planned to use barb in a "birds of prey" one-off, which, when we found out we couldn't use her, got completely re-worked into the much better "double date"....other than that, we had no plans to use BTAS characters in JLU (other than the occasional villain cameo)....there aren't any BTAS-centric stories we were dying to tell that we couldn't because of the embargo....
  • Link: Toon Zone
  • Posted: May 2, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: nightwing only had a TINY cameo in the original premise... short version: barbara gets injured, batman says "rest up, get well, NO CRIME-FIGHTING, YOUNG LADY" -- she's not just in a wheelchair, she's in traction -- barbara gets restless, defies batman's orders and starts working on this week's nefarious plot on her computer (some nonsense about kirk langstrom creating an army of man-bats) -- she realizes she needs "mobile" help, calls dick grayson -- cut to dick's apartment, where he's making out like crazy with some gorgeous new gal, the phone rings and rings and rings, he distractedly picks up the phone (still making out), barbara starts to talk, he doesn't even hear her, just drops the phone back on the cradle, barbara gives her phone the stink-eye and growls, "DICK!" (at which point barbara recruits black canary and huntress to be her "field agents" and she herself assumes a temporary "oracle"-type role -- the army of man-bats gets their butts soundly kicked, yada yada yada....and for the record, gail simone had nothing whatsoever to do with that version of the story....all in all, "double date" is a MUCH better story)

    The Outsiders
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: October 9, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: sorry, wrong again...we DID discuss the possibility of batman leaving the league (or even going over to cadmus' side) but dismissed it right away.... we had the luthor/brainiac thing planned pretty early on, definitely by the time we did "doomsday sanction" (why else would we have spent so much time in that ep setting up his presidential bid?)...
  • Link: vHive Forum Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: January 16, 2006
  • Quote: Question "I think you or Bruce Timm mentioned at one point that the Outsiders were going to show up in what would become the Cadmus arc as a little group Batman put together. Why was that plan nixed, and who might the Outsiders have included?" Answer: We briefly discussed having Batman leave the League and starting his own team of "Outsiders" to combat the League, if need be. It didn't go very far.
  • Source: Justice League Unlimited Season Two Cadmus: Exposed, 15:29-15:33
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: At one point, we talked about Batman actually switching sides.
  • Source: Justice League Unlimited Season Two Cadmus: Exposed, 15:34-15:38
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: He was going to split off and be his own team and gather up some loose heroes we had.

    Teen Titans
  • Link: Delphi Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: November 6, 2005 7:48 pm
  • Quote: Question "Are there any plans to have a JLU/Teen Titans team-up either on tv or on a dvd?" Answer: We talked about it a couple of years ago, but couldn't figure out how to do it.
  • Link: Derrick Wyatt Tweet
  • Posted: August 28, 2020
  • Quote: "The Teen Titans would fight Darkseid in our show, and the JLI would have taken on Mad Mod."
  • Link: Derrick Wyatt Tweet
  • Posted: August 28, 2020
  • Quote: "At one point they decided that the “crossover” would be two stand alone episodes. One where the JLU Titans show up (Bruce style) in their Justice League show, and the reverse for our Titans. So there was a crossover without mixing continuities."
  • Link: Ben Jones Tweet
  • Posted: August 28, 2020
  • Quote: "My suggestion was Mad Mod gets his hands on Apokoliptian technology so his illusions become real, which I realized after the fact was pretty much just the ending from Batman Vs Hulk where Joker gets infinite power from the Shaper of Worlds. But I still think it could've worked."
  • Link: Bruce Timm reply on AnimeSuperhero Forums
  • Posted: August 28, 2020
  • Quote: "Really not quite sure what Derrick is talking about here."
  • Quote: "Once upon a time, WB president Sander Schwartz wanted to do a two-part JL /TT crossover event. I can't recall if Glen Murakami liked the idea or not but James Tucker and I weren't keen about it at all and Sam Register, who was the CN Production Exec at the time, didn't like the idea much, so it was pretty much a non-starter."
  • Quote: "Knowing that Sam wasn't into it, we knew it was gonna go away sooner than later so we didn't even bother thinking about story ideas. I think we got as far as discussing how to deal with the inherent incompatibility of the styles of the two shows. We toyed (for about a minute) with the idea of having the Titans drawn in the "JL/ BT /DCAU" style in the JL half and the Justice Leaguers drawn in "TT / Murakanime" style in the other half, as if it was a two-part COMICS crossover, with John Buscema, say, drawing all the characters the "Marvel" half and Jim Aparo drawing them in the "DC" half. But no one seemed very excited about that approach either.
  • Quote: "Maybe Derrick is talking about some other JL/TT crossover that I'm not aware of."

    Question and Lois Lane team up
  • Source: Justice League Unlimited Season Two Cadmus: Exposed, 15:04-15:23
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: At one point, we knew the Question was to be the one to unravel the whole Justice Lords thing. But at one point, we were talking about him teaming up with Lois Lane of all people during that whole investigation then we realized it wasn't all that important.

    Waller's wording in Panic in the Sky
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: July 11, 2005
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: And the line did add something: the assurance to every viewer that no innocents were killed. IIRC, I tried to be cute about it first draft, by having Waller say no one was harmed (but she was only answering a specific question about Cadmus personnel). I thought we could skate on that but I didn't get away with it. They wanted to be crystal clear: no one was injured.

    Lex Luthor puts his brain in A.M.A.Z.O.
  • Source: Justice League Unlimited Season Two Cadmus: Exposed, 13:54-14:00
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: For the longest time we thought the big thing was Luthor putting his brain in Amazo.

    Speed Force theme in Divided We Fall
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 3, 2007
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: actually, mike mc cuistion originally DID score the "speed force" sequence with a revved-up version of the "flash theme", but i didn't like it much...it was fun and exciting, but nothing more than that, kinda "typical"....it wasn't nearly as "grand" or "epic" as the scene called for...basically, the "flash theme" is just too bouncy and light-hearted by its very nature, it has no "gravitas" whatsoever...i told mike "this isn't about flash being fast or about him being a fun guy...it's about him pushing himself harder than he's ever had to before, doing everything he can to prevent a crazed all-powerful demi-god from destroying all of creation...this is the moment when wally steps up from 'comic relief' to 'a-list Hero' with a capital H"...and that's exactly what he delivered on his second pass...as for it being "unlikely that they would've made up such an awesome piece for just one moment", well, that's what mike, kris and lolita DO, they try to make EVERY moment as awesome as possible (and knock 'em clear out of the park nine times out of ten)...

    Clark reveals his secret in Divided We Fall
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 22, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: yeah, we originally wanted to have superman finally reveal his secret i.d. to lois at the end, woulda been a nice little bit of fanservice, a little last-minute icing on the cake, but it was OFF-POINT....clark humbly agreeing with lois that superman is "only human" (therefore allowed to make mistakes as long as he learns from them, and never loses touch with that humanity) is EXACTLY the correct way to end the episode (and the season)...

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 3

    Not Using the name "Legion of Doom"
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 17, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: dc specifically requested that we not ever use the term "legion of doom" in an episode to describe the super-sized baddie orginization, as they felt it sounded too corny/old school, and instantly conjures up memories of SUPER-FRIENDS....i don't think alex ross and co. are allowed to use it either in their current JUSTICE comic, though "updated hardcore legion of doom" is clearly alex's agenda........y'know, i can't say that i disagree with their logic completely, it IS a prettty corny name....personally, i felt that the audience would have accepted it without tarnishing our "hip and modern" street cred, but didn't feel it was a battle worth fighting....at least we got to keep the stylin' darth vader-head hq...
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 17, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: fwiw, all of us here at wba refer to them as the legion of doom or "the l.o.d. guys" for verbal shorthand, when we're breaking stories or whatever, and even use the term in the scripts (in scene desriptions, etc) for simplicity's sake, just never in spoken dialogue....

    Aquaman in Another Shore
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 22, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: another example: aquaman was going to be the main-focus character in "to another shore" in its earliest embryonic form...when we were forced to replace him with diana, BANG, suddenly the story became something richer, deeper...we added j'onn's sub-plot at that point (which wouldn't even have OCCURRED to us with aquaman at center stage), and long story short, that episode sings a much sweeter song than if the "aquaman embargo" hadn't been in place....likewise, i highly doubt dc would have let us kill off black manta later on in "dead reckoning", but his replacement doppleganger devil-ray was fair game....

    Green Arrow singing in Another Shore
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: September 27, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: nope, it was dwayne's idea, written into the script...it then took three actors to realise the gag.....kin took a shot, but couldn't quite get the tune right; i sang it, and that's what the overseas guys animated to; in post we decided my vocal quality didn't match kin's enough, so lex lang pitched in and looped the final version....

    Patriot Act
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 26, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: before editing, general threw sgirl at shiny, shiny didn't even try to catch her, just kept after general....seemed very un-chivalrous to us in the editing room, so we cut the scene short to eliminate the sgirl toss....lord sidious probably noticed that the UN-EDITED shot appears in the previous ep's end-credits (THERE'S your "easter egg", karkull)....

    Bizarro in Dead Reckoning
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 20, 2006
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: someone would probably figure this out before long, but if you look closely at some of bizarro's close-ups, you'll notice a faint scar on his forehead, indicating that as part of grodd's "upgrade the villains" program (see "to another shore"), lex performed a little brain surgery on bizarro to make him more controllable...didn't work out quite as planned, necessitating giving him his marching orders in classic bizarro "backwards logic"....

    The Great Brain Robbery
  • Link: World's Finest Matt Wayne Discusses Justice League Unlimited
  • Posted: March 17, 2007
  • Who: Matt Wayne
  • Quote: Regarding the Legion of Doom, we never once call the villains by that name onscreen. We had planned to have Flash use it as a hyperbolic way to refer to Grodd's new Secret Society in "The Great Brain Robbery." You know, "Luthor's got some kind of, I dunno, Legion of Doom." or whatever, and then we'd have the name stick. But a mid-level naysayer at DC thought the name was too corny, and that it must never be uttered.

    The Key was a Brainiac construct
  • Source: Justice League Unlimited Season Two, Justice League Chronicles Alive!, 8:58-9:12
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: You remember, originally it was going to be the Key. He was going to be the key. The Key was going to be a construct of Brainiac's that we were somehow going to bring Darkseid back.

  • Justice League Unlimited Season 4 Ideas

    Journey through Time
  • Source: Toyfare #108, Page 61
  • Quote: We had talked just briefly about doing 12 more episodes. We had an idea of doing something that would be a season-long journey through time. It would give us a chance to revisit a bunch of DC hereoes from different periods. We'd go to the far future and see the Atomic Knights, have an adventure with Enemy Ace uring World War I, or do something again in the Old West. And there was also talk of possibly doing a while season taking place in the Batman Beyond universe.

    James Tucker's Idea
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Fri December 24, 2010 4:02 pm
  • Quote: Question "I herd you thought it was going to end at Justice League, then they wanted JLU, then you thought they only wanted the CADMUS arc, then they said they wanted 13 more episodes. So, I was wondering if you thought it was possible they would want more episodes after the last episode?" Answer: The thought had occurred to me. James Tucker had a pretty strong idea where he wanted to go if we continued, and I planted the seeds of his proposed season in "Alive."

    A few approaches but no final decision made
  • Link: Ask the Maestro Dwayne McDuffie
  • 7/05/2006: Question "If by some twist of fate JLU had been renewed did you guys have any ideas or plans for what direction you'd want to go in or is that just something you think about at the time?"
  • Answer: We'd talked about a few different approaches. I don't think Bruce had come to a final decision, as we hadn't received any input from the network yet.

  • Timmverse Movies

    All Villains Direct to Video Movie
  • Source: Wild Cartoon Kingdom #2, December 1993
  • Quote: Still, one of the proposed stories by Timm and Dini in the preliminary stages of production had Batman up against every one of his villains while trapped inside Arkham Asylum. And the criminals put him on trial. "That story would have made a good hour episode," offers Dini, "but we didn't know if it would make a good movie because the more we kept working with it, the more self-contained the one setting inside Arkham got." Batfans will be happy to note that this way-cool idea was paired down into a new half-hour episode. "But that idea had at least nine major villains going after Batman," continues the co-writer
  • Source: Modern Masters page 49
  • Summary: All the villains like in the Batman 1966 movie. Alan Burnett shot it down, might have had germ of idea for Mask of the Phantasm, idea later used in "Trial"
  • Source: Animato magazine (1994)
  • Summary: The producers were, in fact, planning to make it longer... it was the story they originally wanted for their feature-length film. But "we figured we could do all the cool bits we wanted to do in a half hour," says Paul Dini.

    Two-Face Direct to Video Movie
  • Source: Wizard #51(?) (November 1995)
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: This is a wrap-up story we debated as a popular candidate for the animated movie. We decided to go with the Phantasm idea for the feature, but I've always had a fondness for this one. I decided to dust it off and use it in the comic book, as we had stopped production on the cartoon series. It's also unique because instead of Two-Face versus Batman, it's Two-Face versus Bruce Wayne. It kind of redefines their relationship.
  • Summary: Scrapped idea for a Two-Face movie to conclude his arc but passed over to make Mask of the Phantasm. Paul Dini repurposed it for "Two Timer" in The Batman and Robin Adventures #1 and 2.

    Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #47, 29:20-29:27
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: September 5, 2017
  • Quote: Well, you guys missed on him taking the Chrysler hat off and jabbing Batman through the shoulder.
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #47, 29:33-29:37
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: September 5, 2017
  • Quote: There was a lot more slicing up by the auto gyros. They really cut him up.
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #47, 29:38-30:12
  • Who: Kevin Altieri
  • Released: September 5, 2017
  • Quote: And there's one cut I really wish they put back in and they edited out because it's too gruesome. Was where after the Joker leads Batman outside, outside of the City of the Future pavilion, and he opens up the door and I have Batman's feet step into frame, and this pool of blood drip drip rolls around his feet and it's growing pretty fast. And you pan up, and there's Batman holding something under his chest so he's really hurt and he's bleeding. You know, they cut that pool of blood at his feet.

    No S:TAS DTV Movies
  • Link: Boyd Kirkland Interview 4/1/1998
  • Who: Boyd Kirkland
  • Quote: I asked Paul Dini this question, and he said there were no plans at this time. WB Home Video plans to release "World's Finest" on video this August. The sales of the last Superman video (Superman's origin story from the series), were very disappointing. The way things work around here, though, you can bet that if Tim Burton's live-action Superman movie is a big hit, then an animated Superman movie would be more likely.

    Batman vs. Bane Direct to Video Movie
  • Source: Batman Animated
  • Summary: Scrapped idea for Sub-Zero
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #24, 1:30:57-1:31:58
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Released: January 18, 2016
  • Quote: He had an idea of using Bane. And so I sat with him. I go, "Bane would be be good. But what we should do is make him the Terminator." So in other words, he is such a formidable opponent that Batman--you can't kill him and he's coming for you. And so that's really scary. And so every time Batman engages him, he gets hurt more and more. So by the fin--the end of it, Batman's in a really bad way and Bane can't be hurt so it was really exciting. At the same time, I introduced a sub-plot with Robin and Batgirl who were dating in their alter-egos but did not know they were each other, you know. So when they would meet as Robin and Batgirl, he didn't like her. He thought she was an amateur. So it had some humor to it. So we wrote this really great little script. And--and it might have, yeah, it was a script because I had a really detailed outline form and we did it to script.

  • Source: Back Issue! #99 (September 2017), page 20-21
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Quote: So we wrote this terrific script. I mean, I really loved this story. And there was this lovely B-plot going on between Dick Grayson and Barbara. Bruce asks Dick, "Does she know?" You're going to tell her the truth about yourself. It wouldn't be fair to her. She has to know you're going out and fighting crime at night and you might get yourself killed." So that was all building underneath. And somewhere in the middle of all that we got called over to Warner Home Video. I remember this meeting very well. They said, "Hey, the studio just signed Arnold Schwarzenegger to do the Batman movie, and he's going to play Mr. Freeze, so that's who we want the villain to be." I said, "We already wrote it with Bane." One of the other guys in the room said, "Well, can't you just use your word processor, and where it says 'Bane' just switch it with 'Mr. Freeze'?" I looked at him and said, "It doesn't work that way. He's a completely different villain." I shook my head, "Never mind, we'll just write a new script."
  • Link: Watchtower Database "The SUBZERO Sequel + Other Batman & Animaniacs Secrets with Randy Rogel! (Interview)"
  • Posted: November 15, 2020
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Summary: At the 10:42-11:04 mark, Randy Rogel reveals he envisioned Bane as the Terminator in that Batman couldn't make a dent in him. As they squared off in the script, Batman gets more wounded and injured. The B-plot was Bruce Wayne falling in love with a woman but it wouldn't work out if he didn't tell her his secret.
  • Quote: I said, 'You know what? He makes me think of the Terminator.' So why don't we make Bane basically the Terminator? And you can't kill this guy. Throughout the story, he keeps engaging Bane and every time he gets more and more wounded, more and more injured. And at the same time, I had this kind of alternate story going with Bruce is in love with a woman and it's not going to work out if he can't tell her he's Batman and so it was just a terrific story and it worked great.

    Sub-Zero could have been in theaters
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #24, 1:38:37-1:38:40
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Released: January 18, 2016
  • Quote: There was talk of releasing it in theaters.

    Sub-Zero recasting of Batgirl
  • Link: Boyd Kirkland Interview 4/1/1998
  • Who: Boyd Kirkland
  • Quote: We tried to get her [Melissa Gilbert], but she was unavailable due to other acting commitments. However, I think Mary Kay Bergman did a great job for us in that role.

    Sub-Zero's Original Ending
  • Link: World's Finest "The Role of Mr. Freeze In The Animated Universe"
  • Quote: The movie, which was produced by Boyd Kirkland and Randy Rogel, was originally supposed to conclude with the cure and redemption of Mr. Freeze. The original ending was bittersweet, with Mr. Freeze being cured by the Wayne Foundation, and able to hold his beloved Nora again, but then being led away to spend the rest of his life in prison. The original ending packed a tremendous emotional punch, and conveyed a very positive message, but Warner Bros. asked Kirkland and Rogel to revise the ending. The ending was altered so only Nora Fries was cured, and with Victor to live in seclusion.

    Batman: Arkham Direct to Video Movie
  • When: Late 90s
  • Link: World's Finest
  • Summary: Originally scheduled to be a follow-up to the Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub-Zero animated movie, Batman: Arkham was shelved to make way for the acclaimed Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker direct-to-video title. The plot for this animated feature involved Batman and Robin facing off against a collection of Arkham escapees, in addition to Bruce Wayne finding himself falling in love with a new love interest. Production on this ultimate scrapped feature was so far along that extensive casting was already completed. While all of the Batman: The Animated Series voice cast would have returned, Angie Harmon was already hired to voice Bruce's love interest before the movie was ultimate cancelled. Designer Steven E. Gordon did character design for the feature, with Boyd Kirkland attached to write and direct.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: February 12, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: actually, i seem to remember the "virtual joker" being in the "BATMAN : ASYLUM" script that boyd kirkland and randy rogel wrote.....but i could be wrong...
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #24, 1:44:28-1:46:27
  • Who: Randy Rogel
  • Released: January 18, 2016
  • Quote: At this point in the middle of it, was it -- I think -- did I go back to the Bane story? Can't remember because I remember there's this funny scene where Batgirl and Robin are running into each other and getting in each other's way. In fact, I saw--remember The Incredibles? He--she's going "I had him!" "No, I had him." Remember that? They're arguing. And at one point, he's talking--things are getting really serious between Barbara and Dick. And so Bruce is the one who says, "Are you going to tell her that you're Robin? Don't you think she has the right to know that? Because you know, she may not want anything to do--she'll think you're going to get yourself killed." He really puts the heat on it. And so he goes, "Maybe you're right." So at one point, when she comes to visit, he says, "I have something to show you." Because in an earlier scene, I'd had where he called--as Robin--"You're a rank amateur." He said something like that to her. So he takes Barbara and he takes her down to the Batcave. And she's standing there stunned. And he's kinda there with a smirk on his face. Basically the subtext is, "Yeah, I'm Robin. I'm cool." And she turns around and slugs him right in the mouth. He goes down. She goes, "What do you mean I'm a rank amateur?" And he goes, "Oh...wait a minute! You're--you're--" That's when they find out who each other is. And right in the crux of that, boom, they--Bane is on the attack and they have to forget about that and get to the business, and so they're working together only they now know who each other is. And there was this whole issue of can we make a family in this? One of us can get killed. It was a terrific script but we ended up never being able to do it.

    Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
    Early Dee Dee concept art
  • Source: Shane Glines
  • Link: Shane Glines Tweet

    Return of the Joker Opening Credits
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 6:43-7:07
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "The reason the titles looks so simple is because we literally ran out of time. We had originally had an idea for a little more elaborate title sequence and just didn't have time to do it but fortunately we had the services of a talented young computer animator named Brian Woodward who actually works at the Warner Bros. Feature Animation. He generated these titles for us literally like overnight last week."

    Bonk Twitched
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 13:59-14:14
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "There was actually after Joker shot Bonk the first time, there were a number of scenes with Bonk's corpse in the foreground twitching in his death throes and it was a bit too much for our friends in home video so they asked us to take it out and we reluctantly agreed."

    Woof was originally a dog Splicer
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 16:28-16:29
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "Originally, he was a dog."

    Dirty Dancing in the Nightclub
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 25:29-25:36
  • Who: Curt Geda
  • Quote: "Even in this sequence there was a guy in some dirty dancing with the Dees."

    Drink Machine became Lava Lamp
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 29:30-29:44
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: "That was originally supposed to be a soft serve machine. A three story tall slurpee machine people were drinking out of at the bottom. But it just evolved into a giant lava lamp actually with better design elements. There's lines about people drinking or something and just took it all out."

    In Flashback montage, Batman beat up the Penguin
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 35:21-35:28
  • Who: Paul Dini and Curt Geda
  • Quote: "(Paul Dini) Batman beats up the Penguin./(Curt Geda) Penguin's lair. It was between 20 to 30 pages."
  • Note: Scene can be read in The Official Screenplay.

    In Flashback, Joker's Apron was Kill The Cook
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 42:00-42:02
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Originally, his apron was Kill The Cook."

    In Flashback, tools on Operating Table was changed
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 42:11-42:28
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "The operating table had more surgical implements on it or instruments on it and it made the scene a little bit too over the top scary and so we replaced the real sharp nasty stuff with silly things like plungers and cream cheese and bagels."

    Cut Scene of Old Bruce visits Arkham Asylum Ruins
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 47:27-47:46
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Note: The storyboard animatic can be seen in the special feature section of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, "Confidential Batman Footage" and read in full in The Official Screenplay.
  • Quote: "He did this one really great sequence where Bruce in present day Gotham goes to the ruins of Arkham Asylum and makes a grim discovery there and it was a really neat scene. It was almost completely silent and moody and we unfortunately had to cut it for time because it was really one of the few sequences we could cut without disrupting the story flow so you don't miss it."

    Deleted Storyboard with Jordan Pryce
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 47:53-47:56
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Note: The storyboard animatic can be seen in the special feature section of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, "Confidential Batman Footage."
  • Quote: "He boarded another scene with Pryce, too, that was--"
  • Note: Scene can be read in The Official Screenplay.

    Tara Strong and Andrea Romano subbed for Matthew Valencia in Flashback climax
  • Link: World's Finest "The Bruce Timm Interview: The Sequel"
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: ....the climax of the flashback in "ROTJ" packs a wallop, Tara and Andrea Romano (subbing for Matt Valencia) are downright astonishing....

    Cut Scene of Police Rounding up Jokerz
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 1:10:04-1:10:14
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "There was a sequence here we cut before it was animated of the cops showing up and rounding up all of the Jokerz outside which we cut for time."
  • Note: Scene can be read in The Official Screenplay.

    Idea to put in a line that Dana was also at Gotham Hospital
  • Source: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Commentary, 1:12:04-1:12:16
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "We wanted to show Dana in the hospital after Terry left Tim's room. We thought of that when we were in the Orient. We wanted to put in a line after he meets with Bruce saying, "Well, I'm going to check in on Dana." Or something. Just didn't have time for it."

    Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker The Official Screenplay
  • Link: Click here to see transcript
  • Summary: Deleted scenes and alternate lines cut from the final version of the movie.

    Catwoman Beyond Direct to Video Movie
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: July 19, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: the catwoman bbeyond dtv thing was NEVER scripted, it never went beyond a 45-minute impromptu plotting session between glen murakami and myself....nothing was ever even written down on it.... in its original (if nebulous) form, it was too similar to both "mask of the phantasm" and "return of the joker" in several key plot-structure points....but even before we had a chance to iron any of that out, the home video dept's unbridled apathy towards any more bbeyond dtv projects made the whole thing moot.... as we were plotting out the tail end of the current JLU season, i brought the basic idea up to my co-producers, we quickly realized how it could make a really nifty off-the-wall "bonus" episode (as merlin missy correctly surmised, we did have BUFFY's "restless" episode in mind, season-finale-wise....also, the "flashback" structure was very much inspired by tim minnear's excellent FIREFLY episode "out of gas", as well as the "three cathedrals" episode of WEST WING)....it actually works WAY better as the coda to this season than as a stand-alone bbeyond film, in fact we were able to solve a lot of of its inherent problems by grafting it onto the cadmus plot.... [However], as we were plotting out the tail end of the current JLU season, I brought the basic idea up to my co-producers, [and] we quickly realized how it could make a really nifty off-the-wall 'bonus' episode. [...] We did have Buffy's 'Restless' episode in mind, season finale-wise; also, the 'flashback' structure was very much inspired by Tim Minnear's excellent Firefly episode 'Out of Gas,' as well as the 'Three Cathedrals' episode of West Wing. It actually works way better as the coda to this season than as a stand-alone Batman Beyond film; in fact, we were able to solve a lot of its inherent problems by grafting it onto the Cadmus plot.
    "[In the Batman Beyond DTV], instead of Waller, Selina Kyle herself was going to be the one who cloned Batman. Staying much closer to the 'Boys from Brazil' set-up, Selina hedged her bets and created lots of Bruce Wayne clones, and systematically murdered their parents when they reached the proper age. Most of them didn't become manic-depressive crime-fighters, only Terry and one other-a young boy she adopted and raised as her own son. There was going to be a creepy 'Manchurian Candidate' aspect to their relationship, with the aging (but still disturbingly kinda sexy) Selina coaxing the kid into becoming an uber-messed-up avenger of evil.
    "Selina's 'son' was going to be the main bad guy 'muscle' of the story-a twisted version of Terry / Bruce, with his own 'dark superhero' outfit and everything. The plan was for him to be bumping off criminals from the Batman Beyond Rogues Gallery, and possibly even an old-timer like Edward Nygma, thus setting the plot in motion (this part was always a bit too 'Phantasm' for me, but I did like the 'Manchurian Candidate'-ness of him).
    "This version of Selina had, at some point in the past, 'seen the light,' after years of Batman nagging her to use her talents to help people instead of just helping herself. She eventually realized he was right, but with 'born again' zeal, decided Batman himself didn't go far enough in punishing criminals; she needed a Batman who would help her eliminate criminals (i.e. kill them dead) and set about creating one. These were going to be 'true' Bruce Wayne clones, not nano-engineered 'sons'; in fact, that had a whole lot of problems built into it, which we would have had to figure out if we'd ever gotten a greenlight:
    If Terry were an exact clone of Bruce, why didn't Bruce recognize him immediately when he showed up fighting Jokerz outside his gate?
    Since Lil' Matt is patently identical to Terry, how could he also be a clone? Wouldn't make sense for Selina to have artificially inseminated Mary McGinnis twice, five or so years apart.
    How did Terry's parents escape being murdered when Terry was eight years old?
    "Dwayne's 'nano-engineered sperm' idea neatly solved all these problems. [In addition], there were other aspects of the story that would've needed some massaging; for instance, Selina never seemed particularly tech-savvy, so the bonkers clone plot seemed like a bit of a stretch for her (but perfect for Mrs. Waller and her Frankenstein leanings). [Also], Bruce was going to discover the truth about 'dark avenger guy' being a clone of himself, put two and two together, and realize [that] Terry was also a Bruce clone and try to shut Terry out of the case, but that bit was way too similar to what we'd just done in Return of the Joker.
    Terry thinking he was 'cursed by Batman,' blaming Bruce for ruining his life, even suspecting that Bruce deliberately set the whole thing up, breaking up with Dana... all these bits originated in that impromptu brainstorming session with me and Glen Murakami. The Terry / Dana breakup bit was kinda cool: Terry and Dana go to the wedding of one of her cousins, and you know how people get at weddings; Dana starts hinting that they should think about getting hitched (after they graduate, of course!) and, surprisingly, Terry's not completely adverse to the idea: part of him would actually like to settle down with this girl he obviously adores and live something of a normal life, but then he finds out he's Bruce's clone, thinks he's cursed, doesn't want Dana to have anything to do with him, [etc.]. Terry deciding to change the Batman paradigm by actually marrying her at story's end was something we added when writing 'Epilogue.' I honestly don't know how we would have resolved the Dana / Terry thing if we'd made the Batman Beyond version. Anyhow, that's it in a nutshell
  • Link: Watchtower, ep50
  • Summary: Selina made lot's of Bruce Wayne clones, systematically killed parents at proper age, only success was Terry and one other - a creepy Manchurian Candidate raised as her son - bumps off Terry's rogues gallery.

    Worlds Collide Direct to Video Movie
  • Link: World's Finest "The Bruce Timm Interview: The Original, Uncut Version"
  • Posted:June 12, 2004
  • Quote: Well, there IS a JL DTV in the works....kind of. What happened was, the Home Video division commissioned us to write a JL DTV, right around the time we were gearing up for season 3. Dwayne McDuffie and I came up with the story, Dwayne wrote a terrific script, I designed loads of new characters, we started story-boarding, Andrea Romano had assembled a KILLER cast, and we were just getting ready to record it, and then Home Video slammed on the brakes, and it was put on the shelf for the time being. This is a GOOD thing, really! The original plan was to do the DTV and season 3 concurrently, but, long story short: we would have been stretched WAY to thin. JLU is a difficult enough show to do by itself, without having to prep a feature-length movie at the same time. Home Video is still interested in making it, apparently, so hopefully it'll happen.
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: September 18, 2009
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: yep, CO2E basically IS the old WORLDS COLLIDE script -- it's like 95% or more intact -- major difference being the swapping of john stewart for hal jordan -- and since john didn't have a very big part in the original script anyhow, it didn't impact the overall story in any important way (we'd just come off "Starcrossed", remember, where he'd gotten some major face-time, so we felt it'd be good to let him take a bit of a breather) WORLDS COLLIDE was always intended to be "Continuity Lite", to appeal to the broadest audience possible, to be comprehensible to people who hadn't necessarily seen every episode of JL or people who didn't even get Cartoon Network -- (remember, at the time, the season set dvd's were still a ways off) -- so there never were very many overt continuity callbacks in the script to get rid of as to why we didn't just make it a straight-up "DCAU" film? simple answer : ZERO interest from the folks at Home Video in re-visting the old continuity -- they've invested several million dollars in establishing the new "DCU" dvd line as its own thing, so why muddy the issue by bringing back the old continuity? putting it bluntly, getting a "DCAU" version of WORLDS COLLIDE green-lit just plain wasn't gonna happen at this time -- PERIOD. so -- i could've just waited another five years to see if anybody at Home Video changed their minds (and run the risk that they might NEVER do so) -- or i could grab this opportunity as my last best hope of getting WC on the screen practically intact (but with new designs and new voices), and obviously that's what i chose to do and by the way, regardless of what gregory says in that video clip, it was totally my idea to dust off and tweak the WC script for the DCU series -- he's blameless here -- any effigies that get burned will have blonde hair, glasses and very tall foreheads, okay?
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: February 23, 2010
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: When we were preparing "Justice League Unlimited," and actually very shortly after we shut down "Justice League," the idea was to do a movie that would bridge a lot of the continuity between the two shows. It was a big change just going from six to 60 members, and answering questions like, "Where did the teleporter come from? And where did the new satellite come from?" I wrote it, and we realized that putting "Justice League Unlimited" together was a much bigger production and challenge than we thought of ahead of time and we just didn't have the manpower to do both the show and the movie so we put the movie on the shelf. But Bruce [Timm] really never gave up on it. He kept trying to do it over the years, and I guess the right opportunity came along and he called me up and said, "Hey, we can do this if we base it on the comic books and not the animated version. Would you be interested in re-writing it?" And I was very interested.
    The storyline didn't change very much. The characters changed a bit. Some of the motivations changed. Mostly what I did was cut out stuff that was intended to set up the mysterious new "Justice League Unlimited" show, which later enjoyed 39 episodes, but at the time we started, we were leading into [JLU], so there was a lot of stuff that was supposed to erase questions. I took that out, but I'd say 90 to 95 percent of it is the same story.
    We actually made up a fake president, who we thought was going to be president in "Justice League Unlimited," just because we knew we were going to do some political stuff
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: February 22, 2010
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: We finished up the first "Justice League" series and we got the order to do another season of the show. Cartoon Network had asked us to re-brand the show and to not do anymore two-parters, and they left it to us to figure out what that meant: re-branding the show. We came up with the idea of expanding the roster of heroes and doing more stand-alone episodes, but with an overall arc, and all that stuff that eventually became "Justice League Unlimited." At the same time, it was kind of planned that we were just going to jump into that new iteration without a whole lot of explanation. It was like we went from seven heroes to 50 some odd heroes and one Watchtower to a whole system of floating Watchtowers over the Earth. We actually wanted it to be a bit disorienting like that. "Ooh, wait a minute, what happened?" But we did plan on eventually on telling that story of what happened in between the two series.
    Right around the same time that we were developing "Justice League Unlimited," we came up with this story, which at the time was called, "Worlds Collide," which explained how the two series connected and what happened in between, and we used the Crime Syndicate from the comics, who are a group of supervillains, who are kind of like the evil alter egos of our guys and the main antagonists of that story. [When] we wrote the script, the idea was that we were going to do both the movie and "Justice League Unlimited," simultaneously. We knew we had a longer lead time on the movie, so we knew it was going to come out on home video some time after "Justice League Unlimited" premiered, but that was OK. But ultimately, for one reason or another, just as were getting ready to get a green light on "Worlds Collide" - we actually already had the cast in place - we were getting ready to pull the trigger on it and the plug got pulled. They said, for whatever reason, "We don't think we should go ahead with this."
    But we had the script lying around that we really, really liked that Dwayne [McDuffie] had written, and it kept coming up in conversations. It was like, "It's a shame that this script exists and we can't do it. What should we do with it?" Should we put on one of the other DVDs as a pdf file, just so people could read it? Or should we turn it into a comic book?
    DC was all excited about doing it as comic book miniseries for a while there, but ultimately all of that stuff fell through and, years and years later, we were working on these DCU movies, the DTVs, and we had a couple of scripts that were in development that weren't quite gelling. We had a slot open - we really needed a movie for the first quarter of '10 - and we have to get something in the works. All along, I'd been going, "We've got 'Worlds Collide.' It's still sitting there." And they said, "Yeah, but it's too close to the TV continuity. Yadda, yadda, yadda," and then I happened to be reading one of the current "Justice League of America" comics that was coming out at the time and, weirdly enough, Dwayne was writing the comic at the time. I was flipping through it and I was like, "Wait a minute. A lot of the people, who are in the Justice League, at the moment, in the comic were a lot of the characters that we played up a lot on the series, like Black Canary and Vixen. And I happened to notice the design of the Watchtower that they were using was our Watchtower from the animated series. It was almost like the two continuities had kind of weirdly merged. So I got the idea that, without a whole lot of trouble now, we could actually retro-fit "Worlds Collide" into a DCU movie with minor alterations - the biggest, of course, being swapping out John Stewart for Hal Jordan, and obviously, we'd have to go in and redesign the characters because we didn't want it to be exactly the same style than the TV series. But ultimately, Dwayne's original script was about 95 percent intact and everybody signed off on it and away we went.
    Curiously enough, James Woods was the one person that actually ended up playing the same part that he would have played if we had gone ahead with "Worlds Collide" all those years ago. Back in the day, he was our choice for Owlman. Unfortunately, he and Andrea Romano, and I think even Dwayne, they might be misremembering it, because I'm pretty sure we had cast him as Owlman. They're saying he was originally cast as Lex Luthor in the earlier version, but I'm pretty sure he was Owlman. Everybody else, we had a completely different cast in mind. We, frankly, thought he was a longshot. He's a big name actor and he's really, really good and too expensive. But at the time, he signed on for it, and years later, I was like, "Well, he was our original choice for Owlman. Let's see if he would still be interested." And he still was, and there we were
    And actually, at the time, when it was still "Worlds Collide," we had gotten pretty far down the line in terms of developing the character designs for the Crime Syndicate and some of the other characters, and I didn't want to have to just start completely from scratch again. It's basically just the ending from the original movie that literally leads into "Justice League Unlimited."
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sat January 23, 2010 5:59 pm
  • Who: Dwayne McDuffie
  • Quote: It would be interesting, the draft includes some Milestone guest stars that DC Comics made us take out. It also ended with the JLA line-up that I was told would be my comic book JLA line up in February, had I continued on the book. None of that's in there, now
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: Sun January 24, 2010 6:52 pm
  • Quote: Question "can you tell us what milestone character's that where going to make a cameo's in the justice league crisis on two earth's movie." Answer: Static in the first three drafts, Icon in a couple of the later drafts.
  • Link: Lamhost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted: August 9, 2006
  • Quote: Question "You also said there was an "origin" for her Invisible Plane that might show up in an episode. Where'd it come from?" Answer: That origin was written into a so far unproduced Justice League direct to video. I'm mum, just in case we ever get to do it.
  • Link: Lamphost Forums Dwayne McDuffie
  • Posted Mon January 10, 2011 9:08 pm
  • Quote: Question "On Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, when Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash meet the alternate Luthor; Superman checks up on their universe's Luthor, who is still in Stryker's. In the World's Collide script, how did the Justice League's Lex Luthor make an appearance, if any?" Answer: He's at a signing for his new book "Into the Light," de rigueur for his impending presidential campaign.

    World's Collide to Crisis on Two Earths
  • Link: Lamphost Forum Dwayne McDuffie
  • Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:38 pm: Question "How many drafts did you go through and how long did it take to get the final script done? Is there something that ended up getting cut you wish could have been in the story?"
  • Answer: 7 drafts, about 6 years. The Static/Icon cameo.
  • Link: Lamphost Forum Dwayne McDuffie
  • Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:52 pm: Question "can you tell us what milestone character's that where going to make a cameo's in the justice league crisis on two earth's movie."
  • Answer: Static in the first three drafts, Icon in a couple of the later drafts.

  • The Brave and The Bold Direct to Movie
    Elongated Man, Greem Arrow, and Zatanna
  • Link: World's Finest James Tucker Interview about "Bold Beginnings"
  • When: 2003-04
  • Quote: WF: To the main story. Why were these particular heroes chosen - Green Arrow, Plastic Man and Aquaman? JT: This story actually started out as a DTV (direct-to-video movie) script written years ago that was to feature the Batman: The Animated Series-version of Batman in a The Brave and the Bold-type movie featuring three segments consisting of Batman teaming up with Elongated Man, Green Arrow and Zatanna written by Paul Dini and Alan Burnett. I'd place it around the time of Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman, either right before or right after, I don't recall. For whatever reason the script didn't get produced and it sat on the shelf for years. Fast forward to our third season. We were a bit behind of getting in a finished script for our deadline and had gotten a hold of the script for the aborted DTV. We took two of the segments and adapted them to what became the Green Arrow and Plastic Man (formerly Elongated Man) segments in the episode. Steve Melching wrote the rest of the episode and did a great job of condensing those segments and creating a great framing device using Aquaman's thwarted efforts at telling his story. I thought the episode turned out well, especially given considering it's convoluted path from a 75 minute DTV to a 22-minute TV show.
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #21, 1:14:55-1:17:14
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Released: November 24, 2015
  • Quote: I did have an idea for, after we did Mxyzptlk in Superman, Alan Burnett and I actually wrote a direct to video that was never made. It was parceled up here and there. We used some other ideas but it was a direct to video and the last time I looked at it, it was sort of 'Batman's Interesting Team-ups' and framework was Batman is on a mission somewhere and Robin has been told 'stay in the cave, this is too dangerous' and Robin wants to quit because 'Batman isn't taking me seriously.' And Alfred told him of three times he had to team up with another hero and how that worked out. So there was a Batman-Superman team up with Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite that was a lot of fun and was Bruce Wayne goes to Clark Kent and goes, "I think I'm going nuts." "Why?" "Well, because I've been having these hallucinations." And he explains what they are. And Superman is, "You're not crazy. It's a guy. I know the guy." And it turns out it's not Mxy doing it. It's actually his cousin, you know. We made Bat-Mite his cousin who was a Batman fanboy. So it was big 'who can outdo each other,' and you know they're causing massive destruction. And Superman and Batman are trying to stop them or outthink them or something. There was that initially. That was the--a big part of that direct to video. The other team ups were Batman and Zatanna in an actual magic story against Klarion the Witch Boy. And that you know, it was okay. It was a little weak episode. It was okay, 'here's a short one.' But it was--it didn't--I wouldn't have made it the same way. I would have dropped that segment out and put in Green Arrow or doing something else. You got magic magic in the first one. You got more magic in the second one. And the third one was Batman and Plastic Man. And then versus the Ventriloquist. It's crime and fun and weirdness. So but that was dun, it was just never produced.
  • Link: Batman Animated Podcast #21, 1:18:17-1:18:42
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Released: November 24, 2015
  • Quote: Direct to video was he had a gang and there was a girl in the gang and she was flirting with Scarface and somehow this was not happening with the Ventriloquist so the Ventriloquiest was kind of coming onto her and she was encouraging his attention and the Ventriloquist was the odd man out and it was very weird.

    Justice League vs. The Fatal Five
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 03:12-03:21
  • Who: Jim Krieg
  • Quote: This is what I remember. I remember that at one point, you had it on a plot point that the star suit was actually a map. It was going to be space-time coordinates--
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 28:07-28:15
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Summary: In Portland, Batman originally fought Mano and Tharok in the parking structure.
  • Quote: That was originally a Batman moment. Originally that was boarded to be Batman and I thought, "You know, we need to give Mr. T a good moment. So you know, let's make that Mr. T."
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 36:32-36:41
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Well, originally there was a line of dialogue where he mentioned it because Batman is looking at it going, "Oh, because this-this is his room because there's the toy." But we took that one out because we felt it wasn't necessary.
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 46:48-47:00
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Well, originally when she went to meet them. I don't think it was in the forest. And, yeah, as we're plotting it out, I went, "Yeah, it should be in the forest because it increases her terror. It deliberately calls back--
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 47:06-47:09
  • Who: Jim Krieg
  • Quote: It was like a junkyard and that was nothing.
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 50:46-50:59
  • Who: Eric Carrasco
  • Summary: Jessica sending a coded message to alert the Green Lantern Corps of the ruse wasn't always in the script.
  • Quote: There was a moment where it was going to be--wear her ring around upside down or a bunch of stuff that would not have read unless you were--
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 53:40-53:42
  • Who: Eric Carrasco
  • Quote: Oh, also, we were going to have her arm cut off.
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 53:46-53:50
  • Who: Jim Krieg
  • Quote: And then she'd have the construct arm.
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 56:16-56:29
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: And originally we designed this whole underground cellar, you know, and we realized we don't need it. We went back and forth on what it looked like. Yearh, it was neat but it just slowed us down.
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 1:00:18-1:00:26
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: I'm going to own up to this one here. This Skeletor line. I didn't like the original line so I changed it. I don't know if it works but whatever.
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 1:00:30-1:00:37
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: Originally, it was he said, "Oh, Batman is it? What exactly are your powers?" And I think he said, "Good study habits."
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 1:03:31-1:03:36
  • Who: Jim Krieg
  • Quote: At one point, we had a base of the rocket that was gonna launch the thing...
  • Source: Justice League vs. The Fatal Five, Commentary 1:03:37-1:03:47
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: There was a whole rocket that was going to send the Emerald Eye into space. Early on. And the jets of the rocket were shooting down on Batman and Mano.
  • Link: Watchtower Database September 2020 24 Hour Birthday Stream
  • Who: Eric Carrasco
  • Summary: At the 15:30-16:41 mark, Eric Carrasco revealed he independently came up with a backstory for Miss Martian. Since White Martians did not exist in the continuity, Miss Martian's origins have something to do with a race of Martians that did not live on Mars. For example, in DC Comics canon, Martians live elsewhere like on Saturn.
  • Link: Watchtower Database September 2020 24 Hour Birthday Stream
  • Who: Eric Carrasco
  • Quote: At 29:45 to 31:25, Eric Carrasco revealed there was a Wonder Woman plot. She went to go consult with the Fates but learned the Greek gods were leaving for another dimension because they foresaw that the future was erased. They invited Wonder Woman to join them because soon her items like her bracelets would no longer work. The plot was a crisis of faith and she would learn she is Wonder Woman without the gear.
  • Link: Watchtower Database September 2020 24 Hour Birthday Stream
  • Who: Eric Carrasco
  • Quote: At 54:36, Eric Carrasco revealed at one point, Star Boy was going to get thrown into the Keep Portland Weird wall.

  • Mattel

    Wonder Woman and the Star Riders
  • Link: Sarah Dyer website via Web Archive
  • When: 1992-1993
  • Who: Sarah Dyer, Jose Garcia-Lopez
  • Quote: Yes, it's the strange and bizarre saga of the world's most elaborate, nonsensical, and ultimately unproduced all-female action figure line (and marketing concept). And it goes something like this:
    In 1992, for reasons I can't guess, Mattel decided they wanted to do a line of toys based around Wonder Woman -- but not based on her actual history or character! -- accompanied (of course) by a cartoon and other tie-ins. Their original idea seems to have been a resuscitation of the She-Ra concept, with a little Captain Planet-style environmentalism added, and Wonder Woman shoved in for name recognition. (I also wouldn't be surprised to find out there was a little Sailor Moon influence at work as well -- while that's pure speculation on my part, Sailor Moon was already a huge success in Japan at the time, and Mattel worked closely with Bandai and had to have been aware of how well the franchise was doing.)
    So, they went to DC and WB Animation to develop the show that would be a vehicle for the toy line. In late 92, the concept went through several revisions as WB tried to pull together a pilot, DC worked on the promotional comics (which were to be inserted into Barbie boxes, as well as who knows where else) and Mattel worked on their toy designs. Long-time DC comic and licensing artist Jose Garcia-Lopez (see his Superpowers work at the Superpowers archives) was even tapped to do the character designs. Finally, enough was settled for Mattel to put together a presentation for the Feb 93 Toy Fair. The line was supposed to launch in September of that year, accompanied by a half-hour animated special, which would then be put out on video, and tie-in comic series and other merchandise. Unfortunately, the whole thing collapsed not long afterwards -- I can't trace the actual fatal blow, but my guess would be that they couldn't find any takers for their proposed cartoon (animated shows geared towards girls are virtually unsellable -- even today I know of cartoons being shopped around that no-one will produce because "conventional wisdom" dictates that shows geared towards girls will fail). But as the pilot was never even made (supposedly it got as far as storyboards and some test animation, although I'm not sure if that's true), it's also possible that orders were so low on the toy line Mattel decided to pull the plug -- it had been about five years since the last girl's action line left the shelves, so retailers might have been hesitant about trying the line out. It's also possible that the concept was so weird -- marketing-driven without much thought to logic, a mish-mash of other shows and toy lines, an almost unrecognizable Wonder Woman -- that cooler heads prevailed and put the concept out of its misery.
    With so many strikes against it, I'm amazed that anyone attempted to market this concept in the first place, and (I think) it's completely bizarre that toys were actually shown and promoted before the property they were based on had even materialized. In fact, a Feb 93 article in the Wall Street Journal calls the line "an unusual venture" because of Mattel's attempt to do a female action line, which at that point hadn't been seen for several years. To help clarify things for those who might have been made nervous (and to think Xena would appear just a few years later!), a spokeswoman for Mattel stressed that the line would be nonviolent and that Wonder Woman would have "lots of hair to comb."
    But lots of hair couldn't save this Wonder Woman. And so this ill-fated chapter in the history of female action figures drew to a close (as Wonder Woman fans around the globe breathed a sigh of relief!)
    Star Lily of the Star RidersThe Star Rider concept went through a lot of incarnations in its brief existence, and the final storyline doesn't really have a good explanation for the term, "Star Riders". As things stood when the line ended, you have your choice of two universes for Wonder Woman and the Riders -- in the version which would have been seen in the cartoon (and presumably followed on the published comics and toy info) the "Riders" are a group of four teenage girls from around the globe who were all born with nature-controlling superpowers, who suddenly are called to "fulfill their destiny" as Star Riders along with Wonder Woman (who is apparently also one of the chosen ones -- she's a very young Wonder Woman, with none to little of her normal DC background). They're taken to the mysterious Starlight Castle in the sky by winged horses and given costumes, new names, new hair colors and some nice accessories by a disembodied voice, Starlight (all of this directly from the She-Ra mythos, by the way). Wonder Woman doesn't get a new name, but she does get a new costume along with her new friends, and as a natural-born leader takes charge. They're informed that a great evil has attacked the Earth, in the form of their soon-to-be arch-nemesis Purrsia (who is far more Catra than Cheetah), accompanied by her evil kitty pal Panthera, and they must stop her and protect the world. As it turns out, there's these magical Star Jewels protecting the earth, which Starlight created eons ago. And Purrsia is trying to steal them all to impress her boss, the evil and mysterious Darkness (think Queen Metallia crossed with Satan). Starlight has now activated the Star Riders to save the jewels and protect Nature from evil (it's hard to tell if their existence was somehow engineered by Starlight or if they are simply the best candidates for the jobs). They now must learn to use their powers, cope with their new duties, learn to get along, fit in with other teenagers in their regular lives, and of course constantly fight Purrsia and save the Star Jewels from her. You can pretty much figure out what would have happened for the rest of the series from there.
    Promo ComicHowever, the early promotional materials (WB/Mattel's presentation folder and the actually-released mini-comic) give us a universe quite different, one based on an earlier version of the storyline, in which the Star Riders don't have human secret identities, but are a sort of secret guardian system for the planet, known only to the Queen of the Amazons, who's sent her daughter to join and lead them. Instead of being humans who become superheroines, they're more like heroines who adopt secret identities to live among humans -- Princess Diana is a doctor; Solara (actually a sun goddess of the aztecs or something like that) is a photographer; Ice (a princess of the quasi-norse-legend Ice Folk) is a part-time writer and illustrator who holds down a day job in an ice-cream parlor; Dolphin (princess of an aquatic race) works at "Ocean World"; and Star Lily (the last survivor of a secret paradise-like land) works as a florist. Their powers are pretty similar as Star Riders, although in this incarnation poor Star Lily can only make people fall asleep! In this version, Purrsia is simply a greedy evil sorceress from another dimension who wants all jewels. It's suggested that she could have been a heroine of her world but didn't live up to the task -- and that she may be redeemable. She seems to be more or less a rogue Star Rider who wants to lead the group and may be redeemable. (Although it's hard to tell -- in the promo comic there's a big lapse in logic -- Purrsia tells Panthera, who's a bumbling cat instead of an assistant here, that she wants to be a Star Rider, and in Wonder Woman's lasso she says she want to join their sisterhood and renounce evil. Now I've never heard of a version of the magic lasso where you could actually lie when wrapped up in it -- but apparently Purrsia's figured out how, 'cause as soon as she gets into the castle she cuts the power and makes off with a Star Jewel. Oh well, I guess she's just really evil!) You can see the entire comic for yourself at Themyscira, along with the character descriptions given in the presentation booklet. Personally, I prefer the later "official" version, and the following character descriptions are based on that:
    (going clockwise from) Wonder Woman: a young, relatively-new-to-man's-world WW gets a new costume when she becomes one of the Star Riders, and gets the Wonder Wand, which gives her some supernatural powers including flight and the ability to "bring out people's innate goodness" (ahem, couldn't be from Sailor Moon, could it?). She also gets the coolest horse, Nightshine, who's a winged unicorn, rather than the "plain" winged horse everyone else gets. (Again, shades of She-Ra!) She wears bustier, boots and tiara in the classic WW style, with tights, tutu, and cape added.
    Solara: even more predictable than Ice's "cold" nature is Solara's fiery temperament, and believe it or not, she's a hot-blooded Latina teenager (from Mexico, to be specific). No stereotypes there, folks. She has the powers of the Sun, including a serious sunblast she can do from her chest, and she can control temperature. A warm pink and orange color scheme (including dark pink hair) mystifyingly works for her.
    Star Lily: the protector of nature is also the token non-white character -- an African princess who says things like "hey, girlfriend". She controls nature with very Poison Ivy-like powers, making things grow out of seemingly nowhere. She has a big floral-design thing on her back. At odds with her close bond to organic things, she seems to be the one most interested in the Starlight Castle's technology.
    Dolphin: a perky, cute American high school girl who has absolutely nothing to do with the DC character. She's the "ocean" character, who can make bubbles. Strong bubbles. And big ones too. If she does anything else, I haven't seen it evidenced in the final material -- but early concepts include a "sonic scream". Pale blue hair, a fan-tail skirt and a Mera-like tiara complete her particular ensemble.
    Purrsia: the evil nemesis of the Star Riders -- she lives in a dark castle in another dimension, able to move back and forth with the aid of Panthera (she can't do it on her own). She's an evil sorceress type, who like all cartoon villains is rather ineffectual. She has a fur trimmed skirt and cape, and a magic mask which allows her to see things that are invisible to the naked eye-- a sort of x-ray vision, if you will.
    Ice: another American high-schooler who is predictably emotionally detached -- she is the, uh, "ice" character (and again has nothing to do with the DC character she's named for). She can create ice blasts, freeze things, make things out of ice -- she's probably the most powerful of the four younger girls -- but she's the one who gets a power wand to increase and focus her abilities. For some reason, she's pink and white -- not colors I think of as "ice-like"...but I suppose they didn't want to repeat Dolphin's color scheme. Ice wand and cape accessorise her Frosta-like outfit.
    It was reported at the time that Supergirl was later going to be added to the line, but after reviewing the line's history, I doubt that was ever actually planned, especially as the development never got as far as planning a series. Room was left for additional riders, but more likely they would have been created by Mattel. The Toys
    The figures are as closely descended from the She-Ra line as the actual characters themselves, using similar accessories, powers and deco. But they're based on a much more doll-like figure than the She-Ra line was -- I'm not sure what these 6" molds were originally created for, but this is their first appearance. They have since been used by Mattel in the Disney Princess line, the "Four Corners" doll family line, and in the girl's adventure line "Tenko and the Guardians of the Gemstones" (which is possibly the closest thing to the Star Riders we'll ever see -- incorporating the powerful magic gemstones concept and the magnetic jewel feature planned for the Star Riders). But unlike these later cloth-dressed dolls, the Star Riders were designed like the She-Ra line, with painted-on basic costumes accessorised with add-on skirts, wands and headdresses (as well as above-mentioned magnetic jewel accessory).
    As far as "action features" go, Dolphin apparently had a "bubble power", which looks as though it works by pumping bubble solution through her midsection (the 3rd She-Ra had a bubble power action, but it was based on a gun -- Dolphin's action reminds me of Mermista's water spraying feature instead); Ice has an ice wand and "ice" sound effects; Solara's chest lights up with her solar blast; and Star Lily has the spinning attachment that formerly belonged to Castaspella (from She-Ra).
    Starlight CastleIn the playmate/pet department, Mattel also showed Wonder Woman's steed, Nightshine, and one of the basic winged horses, Cloudancer; as well as Purrsia's companion/assistant Panthera. You can see from the photo of Nightshine that the horses are definitely made from the basic horse mold used in the She-Ra line. (And I assume that Purrsia's cat would have been cast from the Clawdeen mold as well.) However, the Starlight Palace, while obviously based in concept on the She-Ra line's Crystal Castle is all-new. I'm not sure why -- the castle is described as in the clouds and otherwise sounds like the Crystal Castle. But the Starlight Palace is smaller and cheap looking. I can only guess that either Mattel didn't want to be so obvious by re-using the Crystal Castle mold -- who knows how many people still had one in their homes and wouldn't appreciate seeing it re-used, or the Crystal Castle was simply too elaborate and expensive to be feasible in 1993 (especially as part of an unproven line.
    The toys also reverted back to the original designs for the characters -- for some reason, in the promotional materials, big logos based on the character's initials have been imposed onto the designs. But the toys are back to basics:

  • Other Pitches

    Boyd Kirkland worked on Metal Men, Lobo, and Wonder Woman series
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: August 2, 2004
  • When: After Batman: The Animated Series
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: boyd kirkland produced XMEN: EVO and, of course, the BATMAN:SUB-ZERO dtv...here's a little-known fact: after B:TAS, he spent several years developing several dc properties for animation, including METAL MEN, LOBO and even WONDER WOMAN...in fact, the WW pilot was actually being animated when the powers-that-be pulled the plug...alas....

    Young Aquaman
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 12, 2005
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: it was indeed "young aquaman", NOT part of the established dcau, completely different style, etc....it was in development for kids wb for awhile, they ultimately passed on it, it's now seemingly in permanent limbo....

    Kamandi
  • Source: Jack Kirby Collector #21
  • When: 1998
  • Who: Timm
  • Quote: I don't know how that rumor even got out! That's something we've just started talking about among ourselves. It was a kind of a truthful rumor. We talked about it once, when we finished the new season of Batman and we hadn't yet got the pick-up on Superman or Batman. We were just going through the whole list of DC characters that we had the rights to, and we thought, "What would be a good series for kids?" I just immediately thought of Kamandi. I thought Kamandi would be a great kids' show. We never really did much more on it than that; we just talked about the possibility that we might do it. Then we got busy doing the new Batman and Superman, and kind of put it on hold for a while, but I'd still love to do a Kamandi show. I think Kamandi is a great character. It's actually my favorite Kirby comic from the DC era. I like the New Gods and Mister Miracle and everything, but there's something about Kamandi. I think it's his best writing.
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 25
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "I'd wanted to do an adaptation, literally, of [the comic-book series]."
  • Source: Comicology #1, page 25
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "We actually pitched it to the WB, and they were kind-of intrigued by it, but, y'know, they wanted to mess around with it a little bit. The first thing that they wanted to do was change the art style; I said, "This is what I want it to look like," and they went, "Really?" If you're not a comic-book fan, some of the Kirby stuff can look a little bit weird. And they were concerned that there's not a really strong female character in the series; you have Flower & Spirit, but they're, like, half-naked dumb girls. So they said, "Could we invent a new character that could fulfill that function?" I didn't want to tamper with it at all."
  • Source: Comicology #1
  • When: Spring 2000
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 12, 2005
  • When: Mid/Late 90s
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: if you read that COMICOLOGY interview a few years back, you know pretty much the whole story....it was pretty much an off-the-cuff verbal pitch, with color blowups of kirby comic art....the lady from kids wb seemed very confused while looking at the art: "i kinda like the premise, but, um...you want it to look like THAT?!"...also, they wanted to add a strong female supporting character, and since there really AREN'T any in the original comics, and i wanted to stay as faithful to the comics as possible, we reached a quick impasse, they lost interest....it would have been WAY too violent for them, anyway, i think, it's probably best it didn't happen....

    Legion of Superheroes
  • Link: Anime Superhero
  • Posted: January 11, 2005
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: various incarnations of "legion" have been pitched, a few times....i'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened yet, honestly....."teenage STAR TREK with superheroes" is a high-concept pitch that practically sells itself....it'll probably happen one of these days....

    Legion of Superheroes
  • Source: DC FanDome Legion of Superheroes Panel
  • Posted: September 12, 2020
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: It was designed as a Superman-centric project to kind of tap onto the, um, uh, Superman Returns movie. That's what it started out as then it kind of evolved into its own thing...Oh, no, they came to me. I was coming off of Justice League Unlimited, the last season of that, and, um, originally the show was supposed to be for Cartoon Network and so we did a whole different pitch for them. And then I guess on a Friday, they said "no." And then on a Monday, Kids WB! which was, uh, around said, "Yeah, sure, we'd like a Superman show." So that's how we got on there. But that meant I had to completely change the pitch in a week. To suit them. It was a little older skewing originally and then for them, y'know, we had to young it up...Then second season, we went back to more of what I originally envisioned.

    Justice League
  • Link: Dave Johnson instagram
  • Posted: January 31, 2013
  • Who: Dave Johnson
  • Quote: Old WB Justice League show designs that were rejected.
  • Summary: two Batman designs, armored

    Shazam!
  • Source: Wizard #108 (September 2000) page 72
  • When: December 1999
  • Summary: there was a small article about a shelved series titled "Shazam!" Alex Ross and Paul Dini were co-producers and did brief preliminary work on it in December 1999. Ross did one piece of art, seen in the article, of Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr. Dini likened the art style to C.C. Beck meets Powerpuff Girls. Ross admitted he was trying to do "something very very different from Bruce Timm's style." Back then, there's still the rights issue with Captain Marvel and TV animation conflicted so it was shelved.

    Doom Patrol
  • Source: Toyfare #108, page 61
  • Summary: LONG rumored Doom Patrol spin off mentioned

    Angel and The Ape
  • Source: Modern Masters Volume 3: Bruce Timm, page 111
  • Quote: Bruce (Timm): "We toyed with developing Angel and the Ape for animation." One of Bruce's designs done for the pitch.

    Gotham High
  • Link: Jeffrey Thomas and Celeste Green blog
  • Posted: January 3, 2011
  • When: Early 2000s
  • Who: Jeffrey Thomas and Celeste Green
  • Quote: Hey everybody! We have a huge treat in store for you this week from the Jeff and Celeste vault of awesomeness. Batman is both mine and Celeste's favorite superhero and some time about a year and a half ago, we were approached to create a spec series based off of an old drawing of mine that we then sent to DC. Unfortunately, the project got lost in the sea of all the other Batman related projects in the works. But hey, it was still fun to make.
    The Story Synopsis: We all go through incredible changes as teenagers: growth spurts, bad skin, a sudden insatiable need to uphold justice and avenge your murdered parents... Well, that is if you're Bruce Wayne. As if being a freshman at Gotham High wasn't tough enough, Bruce's insomnia and technological fascinations are taking their toll. Instead of spending his time studying, he has begun to obsess over an emerging personality trait: Batman. But under the watchful eye of his guardian and steward, Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce is forced to put his intelligence to good use: graduating high school. But given his classmates, can Bruce survive Gotham High?
    Summary: pitched this very different take on the Batman mythos to Warner Bros. Animation in the early 2000s. Based on an old sketch by Thomas, Gotham High recast the usual heroes and foes found in Batman's world as high school students. The show would look at Wayne's insatiable need to uphold justice and avenge your murdered parents ... while dealing with typical issues that come with being a student. Under the watchful eye of his guardian Alfred Pennyworth, Wayne is forced to focus on graduating high school before he can take to the night skies ... that is, if he can survive the experience. Thomas said the unique idea sadly got lost in the multitude of Batman pitches Warner Bros. Animation executives hear every year.

    Harley & Ivy

  • Link: Shane Glines Tweet and Shane Glines Tweet
  • When: 2003
  • Posted: July 24, 2020
  • Quote: Sometime around 2003 WB contacted me to do concept designs for a cartoony Harley & Ivy pitch.
  • Summary: Guardian was also among art.
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Three, "Harlequinade" Commentary 4:04-4:08
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: I think Paul actually written a Harley and Ivy pilot for somebody.
  • Source: Batman: The Animated Series Volume Three, "Harlequinade" Commentary 4:36-4:50
  • Who: Paul Dini
  • Quote: When I developed Harley & Ivy as a series, it was for late night TV and that gave someone for her to play off of but if it's Harley solo then they have to give her a family and you know, crazy relatives who are wackier than she is, and you don't really want to do that.

    Justice League International
  • Link: J.M. DeMatteis Tweet
  • Posted: April 7, 2018
  • Who: J.M. DeMatteis
  • Quote: There was talk, a few years back, of a JLI animated series spinning out of BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD, but it never came to be.

    Green Lantern
  • Link: Ask Greg
  • Posted: March 21, 2014
  • Summary: Greg Weisman talks about his and Brandon Vietti's unused Green Lantern pitch. Charlie Vickers would have been the lead, pretty much every Earth Lantern you can think of would have gotten in there eventually, a lot of extra-terrestrial Lanterns, and Hal Jordan would have had a prominent role in the pilot.
  • Link: Flash Talk TV Podcast 22
  • Posted: July 12, 2014
  • Summary: Greg Weisman reveals there was a covert ops unit in his and Brandon Vietti's unused Green Lantern pitch.
  • Link: Shanlian on Batman Episode 64, 43:40-44:58 mark
  • Posted: June 7, 2016
  • Summary: Greg Weisman reveals Arisia and Arrkis Chummuck were in his and Brandon Vietti's unused Green Lantern pitch. Hal Jordan and John Stewart were limited to cameo appearances so they made Charlie Vickers in lead role with young Green Lanterns in training.

    Zatanna
  • Link: Paul Dini Twitter
  • Posted: April 3, 2017
  • Summary: Zatanna pitch, some art, never got off the ground


    CG Batman pitch

  • Link: Alexander Kubalsky deviantArt
  • Posted: November 14, 2011
  • Summary: Penguin vehicle concept designs for a Batman CG 2010 pitch.
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Posted: February 5, 2014
  • Summary: Penguin vehicle concept designs was not part of James Tucker's pitch.

    Batman No Man's Land pitch

  • Link: Coran Stone deviantArt
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Posted: August 18, 2011
  • When: Mid 2000s
  • Who: James Tucker and Coran Stone
  • Quote: So James the Terrifically talented Tucker producer of "The Brave and Bold" series was starting work on the new Bat show and decided to take a chance on the new guy....Me! So I became character designer. I was floored as **** and had a ton of ideas for the darknight and fellers so I spent about 4 or 5 monthes cranking out a ton of of batty shizz! I did way more than any man should ever do and worked sometimes two nights straight without sleep on that stuff. This is the sucky part> Unfortunately one of the heads at cartoon network felt that the concept was to dark and it got scraped. I of course thought that sucked ass but (back to good stuff) at the same time felt happy as hell that I had the one and a mill chance to work on a Bats series.
  • Summary: An animated series based on the acclaimed Batman comic storyline "No Man's Land" has been a popular premise, with multiple attempted made. The piece of artwork above, by character designer Coran Stone, is one of the more notable attempts. Stone said he was selected by producer James Tucker to do the character designs for a "No Man's Land"-based cartoon, but the project was ultimate scrapped since it was considered "too dark." Warner Bros. Animation and Cartoon Network opted to eventually go a more lighter route with Batman: The Brave and The Bold. Stone spent roughly five months working on production artwork for the series, in the mid-2000s before it was inevitably cancelled.
  • Link: James Tucker deviantArt
  • Posted: March 6, 2014
  • When: Mid/Late 2000s
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: This was a painting done to pitch a proposed series based on No Man's Land. The painter's name escapes me, but I'll post their credit when I do some research. Anyway, it was deemed too dark by the suits. Knowing what I know now about CGI production, it would've been a nightmare to produce. Bullet dodged, but the painting is nifty! Pencils rough by Coran Stone.
  • Summary: A second attempt to create an animated series based on the "No Man's Land" comics was attempted, this time with a CG-animation bent to it. Also stalled for the dark premise, James Tucker would have been producer for this mid/late 2000s series.
  • Link: The Batman Universe Video Interview
  • Posted: July 24, 2010
  • Summary: helmed by James Tucker, in CGI, and radically different in tone compared to Batman: The Brave and The Bold.
  • Link: Dark Knights deviation
  • Posted: August 18, 2011
  • Summary: Coran Stone was selected by James Tucker to be Character Designer. Stone did designs for four to five months. One of the heads at Cartoon Network felt the concept was too dark and scrapped it. Stone reveals one design, a group shot of Batman, Nightwing, Robin/Damian Wayne, Batgirl/Cassadra Cain, and Catwoman.
  • Link: Dark Knights deviation comment
  • Posted: August 19, 2011
  • Summary: The scrapped concept had a vibe similar to an arc from the comic books in 1999, "No Man's Land" which depicted "the edge of the end in Gotham."
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Posted: April 30, 2019
  • Quote: Years ago, I was pitching a Batman No Mans Land show that didn't sell, I was very inspired by his [Enrico Marini] art on Gypsy.

    Superman/Batman pitch

  • Link: VoicesFromKrypton article
  • Posted: July 11, 2013
  • Summary: Mitch Watson reveals there was a second pitch before the final version of Beware The Batman was greenlit. It was a light-hearted Superman/Batman show that focused on Batman and Superman in their 20s and early on in their careers. Clark Kent was a trainee reporter coming to Gotham City and he meets Bruce Wayne. Clark and Bruce become friends, but Batman and Superman hate each other. Then they realize who each other is and get on the right side and end up living in the same building.
  • Link: The Nightfly with Dave Jusknow, 23: 40 mark
  • Posted: November 5, 2017
  • Summary: Mitch Watson reveals the light-hearted Superman/Batman show involves Bruce and Clark meeting, ending up in jail after a bar fight, and then the duo living in Bruce's high rise penthouse. Wonder Woman was also supposed to show up and be in the same city, some relationship was going to occur between the trio, and was basically described as being partly inspired by Gossip Girl.
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Posted: May 2, 2020
  • Summary: Cartoon Network wanted to greenlit the pitch but the "movie people" told them 'Batman and Superman didn’t exist in the same universe' so it was killed.
  • Link: James Tucker Tweet
  • Posted: May 2, 2020
  • Summary: James Tucker confirms his involvement in the pitch.

    Knightfall pitch

  • Link: The Nightfly with Dave Jusknow, 23: 40 mark
  • Posted: November 5, 2017
  • Summary: Mitch Watson reveals he also did a Knightfall pitch before Beware the Batman was greenlit. It had the tone of "Doomsday" and Superman was supposed to be in it.

    Nightwing pitch

  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Ki Hyun Ryu deviantArt
  • Link: Mel Zwyer comment
  • When: 2009
  • Posted: July 2, 2012
  • Summary: Before Young Justice designs were released , an animated series based on Nightwing was in the early stages of production in the late 2000s before the work was ultimately shelved for Young Justice. Design work for the series was being handled by Ki Hyun Ryu of The Legend of Korra. The series would have followed the adventures of Batman sidekick Nightwing, aka Dick Grayson. Teen Titans member Raven would also be a regular part of show's supporting cast.

    Wonder Twins

  • Link: Cartoon Hullabaloo Tweet
  • When: Years Ago
  • Posted: January 6, 2018
  • Summary: Cartoon Hullabaloo pitched Wonder Twins years ago after Warner Bros. Entertainment asked them to take one of their old properties and re-imagine it as a new cartoon. Art by Kyle Carrozza included.

    Shazam

  • Link: Cartoon Hullabaloo Tweet
  • When: Years Ago
  • Posted: January 6, 2018
  • Summary: Cartoon Hullabaloo also pitched a Shazam series. Art by Matt Kaufenberg included.

    Batman and Carrie Kelley

  • Link: Jennie Hoffer Instagram and Jennie Hoffer Instagram
  • When: Around September 2018
  • Posted: September 18-19 2018
  • Summary: Jennie Hoffer pitched a show with Batman and Carrie Kelley as Robin.

    Kamandi, The Last Boy on Earth

  • Link: Evan Dorkin Tweet
  • Link: Evan Dorkin Tweet
  • Who: Evan Dorkin and Sarah Dyer
  • When: 2011
  • Posted: October 10, 2018
  • Quote: The good news: We got the okay to finally talk about a big secret project that [Sarah Dyer] and I worked on and are extremely proud of. It's one of the best things we've ever done. Oh, but here's the bad news: We can talk about it now because it's dead and will never happen.
  • Quote: So, back in 2011, we were hired by Warner Bros to write a bible/pitch for an animated series called: KAMANDI, THE LAST BOY ON EARTH Evan Dorkin & Sarah Dyer On the Road in "The World That May Be!" An adventure/comedy, aimed at pitching it to the Adult Swim.
  • Quote: Our bible ran 25 pgs, worked up motivations for Kamandi's globe-hopping, incorporated every animal tribe, every region of his letters-page map, every supporting character from Sacker to Flower to the gorilla Superman cult.
  • Quote: We even got them to let us bring OMAC and Brother Eye in, the latter having a very important role. Sarah reworked how the Tiger kingdoms worked, we worked out a way to "de-Planet of the Apes" the gorilla tribes, extended the K bunker system and had a long, long game plan.
  • Quote: The opening blah blah for the pitch goes : "Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth is a post-apocalyptic action comedy which follows the adventures and misadventures of a teen-aged boy forced to survive in a strange world of human-like talking animals, mutants and monsters...
  • Quote: He and his traveling companions (talking animals and a psychotic robot) undergo a journey that's a mash-up of Kirby, Kerouac and Cormac McCarthy. Along the way there's exciting action, thrilling adventure, black humor, a whiff of satire and...a lot of raging hormones.
  • Quote: The biggest hurdle was how to make sense of Kamandi's wanderings, give the thing a through-line, punch up the supporting cast's goals, and update Kirby's 30's WB back lot movie tropes for outfitting Tigers and gangsters, etc (and riffing on Planet of the Apes/Kong, Westworld).
  • Quote: For ex, Sarah worked out that Tuftan's tiger tribe took over the remains of the Medieval Times franchises and based their feudal system on that skewed history. Sackers Dept stores were Walmart-like chains, w/Sacker himself seemingly in each region, ala Sidney Fields.
  • Quote: Kamandi realizes Ben Boxer et al are a little too nutty about the SCIENCE, Tracking Station has a Scientology-whiff about it. Brother Eye has malfunctioned and is using Kamandi for his own purposes, luring him across the US w/the promise of finding female companionship.
  • Quote: However...Kamandi never gets laid. Never. THE LAST FULLY-HUMAN BOY ON EARTH is universally cock-blocked by fate or design. His frustration leads to poor-decision making. his chronic masturbation...well, you get the idea. He is a miserable wreck throughout the series.
  • Quote: The only lady interested in Kamandi is Flower, who they free from Sacker's store. Tuftan and Canus push the two together constantly -- to Kamandi's delight -- not knowing what the viewer knows -- Flower is part of a tribe of cannibals who eat their mates. So, problematic.
  • Quote: The command K-Bunkers across the country hold old Earth tech and supposedly human survivors. Kamandi is searching for Kamanda, a girl supposedly in the A bunker. Kommando, in O Bunker, is a main antagonist, mix of Henry Rollins/Bill Paxton's Chet who takes over the gorillas.
  • Quote: Here's Flower-as-scary-cannibal. She eats a guy she was caged with at Sacker's. She's nice otherwise! Like Mizuki's Cat Girl, now that I think about it.
  • Quote: We did create new characters for the series. SCRUFFY Scruffy is Kamandi's dog, the last of a line of dogs kept in the Command D bunker, probably the last domestic "normal" dog left on Earth. Scruffy is a wonderful pet and friend. Scruffy gets eaten in the first episode.
  • Quote: Not great concepts for Brother Eyebot, the poorly-constructed (by Kamandi) avatar of Brother Eye. Brother Eyebot/Eye functions as an unreliable Jiminy Cricket, a Wimpy/Rat Man character, who malfunctions and has a deeper agenda besides just being a little robot AI shit.
  • Quote: I mean, imagine getting paid to write a Kirby bible?: "South America - fragmented by the Great Disaster, some of the islands are home to various arcane groups, including The Jaguar Sun Cult And Hotel Chain (with several locations on the mainland) and The God Watchers".
  • Quote: Ep idea: Princess Quest: Brother Eye sends the team on a side quest to save a princess & obtain a special weapon. Kamandi's all over this, especially the princess part, as she's described as being human, and beautiful. Perhaps she's a bunker survivor, perhaps even Kamanda?
  • Quote: What our heroes don't realize is that Brother Eye has suffered a glitch and is sending them "dungeon master"-like instructions from a role-playing video game his system is running. These bogus instructions lead to dangers our heroes didn't bargain for. And no princess.
  • Quote: "Kamandi is captured by a human mutant cult who intends to sacrifice him to a Minotaur-like monster who lives inside a labyrinth that was once an huge Ikea. The mutants all have Ikea-like product names, live life according to the Ikea ethic, and worship the goddess, Ikea".
  • Quote: "Brother Eye told Kamandi his grandfather died. The truth is, Buddy Blank disappeared after Brother Eye tried to download himself into him to create a living avatar. The experiment was a success but the patient fried, transforming him into the wandering entity known as OMAC".
  • Quote: This got long, it's been bottled up. Wish I could publish the whole thing, I really loved what we did. Unfortunately, when pitched around, it was supposedly deemed too funny for an adventure, and too action-oriented for a comedy. Oh, well. What could've been, and all that.
  • Quote: One more bit of Kamandi series trivia: We renamed Tuftan's father...Gruftan. I don't care what you think. It's brilliant and stupid and I love it. And since the series only airs on Earth HOF, it doesn't matter.

    Unknown Pitch for Timm series

  • Link: Evan Dorkin Tweet
  • Who: Evan Dorkin and Sarah Dyer
  • When: 2011
  • Posted: October 10, 2018
  • Quote: While our Kamandi pitch was making the rounds, we ended up writing an equally extensive bible/pitch for a WB Bruce Timm project -- which imho also kicked ass. And also, as is usual, never went anywhere. Then we wrote the DC NATION Metal Men shorts and that was that.

    Shazam
  • Link: Jake Castorena instagram
  • Posted: April 18, 2019
  • Summary: Jake Castorena helped develop a Shazam pitch with Mark Fujita. Shazam designs included.

    Superman Family
  • Link: Newsarama article
  • Posted: April 22, 2019
  • Summary: Vinton Heuck pitched a Superman Family series while he worked on Young Justice: Outsiders. Heuck described it as a family friendly version of Superman Rebirth with Jon front and center. He sought to combine the current stories with a lighthearted tone inspired by the Silver Age stories like Lois and Jon dealing with Superman being turned into a Super-Merman. Sean "Cheeks" Galloway did character designs on the final pitch. The cast included Kong Kenan, Jon Kent, Damian Wayne, Mr. Mzyzptlk and Natasha Irons as Steel. Two pieces of pitch art also depicts Steel, Kelex, Batman, Krypto, Streaky, Captain Carrot, Bizarro, Supergirl, and Parasite.

    New Trinity Traveling the Multiverse
  • Link: Jerry Garylord instagram
  • Posted: January 7, 2020
  • Summary: Jerry Gaylord pitched a show with alternate versions of the Trinity traveling through out the Multiverse. Superman is the grandson of the original, he grows up with the legacy but hasn't earned it and takes it for granted. His character arc was becoming a hero. Batman is from a "Neo Japan Earth" where everything is neon and futuristic. Unlike the standard Bruce Wayne, he did not come from wealth but he did see his parents killed in front of him as a boy. He's Batman with all the intelligence, wit, and cunning but none of the resources. He tries to make Neo Gotham a better place. He has a Bat-Cycle.

    House of Batman
  • Link: Shawna Mills website
  • Posted: May 3, 2020
  • Summary: Shawna Mills and Dan Echo pitched a Batman series titled "House of Batman" which featured Batman, Nightwing, Red Hood, Red Robin, Robin, Titus, Batgirl Alfred, and Andy. It centers around Batman living the family life while they fight crime in Gotham. Character and style overviews included.

    Shazam
  • Link: Shawna Mills website
  • Posted: April 2, 2020
  • Summary: Shazam! was Shawna Mills' second pitch but the covid-19 pandemic happened. Billy Batson turns into Fawcett City's newest superhero Shazam and hones his skills in the Rock of Eternity video game. There is a looming threat of Black Adam and the Seven Deadly Sins. There is a new transfer student named Pandora who is really one of the three immortal faces of evil who is faulted for releasing the Seven Deadly Sins upon the world thousands of years ago. Wolfgang is the popular boy at school who has it out for Billy and has a crush on Rocky, T.A. is the new exhange student who seems to hate Billy and might be Theo Adams, Freddy is Will's foster brother and smart alec best friend, Jules is Rocky's best friend and "not so secret" admirer of Freddy, Rocky Ruiz is the teachers favorite and Billy's study buddy and always under pressure to do her best. The Wizard! (aka Mamaragan) is the last of a council of beings who controlled magic from the Rock of Eternity, cast Pandora into a life of lonely immortality, and who's daughter corrupted his first champion, Black Adam. Geeks over modern trends. Digitized into a VR game, he trains Billy. Billy finds the game triple marked down in a bargain bin covered in dust, plugs it in his computer, and gets digitized into the game. Pandora helps Shazam now and then but wants to re-obtain her box and undo her past deeds. Style overview and 16 episode first season breakdown "First Sin Pride" included.

    Wonder Twins

  • Link: Kat Hudson Tweet
  • Link: Kat Hudson Tweet
  • Link: Kat Hudson Tweet
  • When: July 17, 2020
  • Posted: July 17, 2020 (Reposted December 1, 2020)
  • Summary: Kat Hudson pitched Wonder Twins but it was too tonally and visually similar to the DC Super Hero Girls television series. Follows Janya and Zan's origins of just escaping an Trans World Intergalactic Circus, wrestling with a stowaway alien monkey named Gleek, becoming unwitting thugs-for-hire for Grax, a megalomanic bent on galactic domination, and crash-landing on a backwater planet called Earth. They are taken in by Professor Nichols, who seems to be stuck in the 1970s, and attend Happy Harbor High School where they befriend Wendy Harris and Marvin White as they try to blend in as foreign exchange students. Deal with attacks from Grax and Dentwil the circus owner. Try to prove they are worthy to join the Justice League. Janya claims to be the level-headed twin but as fercious as some of her animal counterparts. Puts up with Zan's scheming and dreaming but brings him back down to earth. She is super intelligent, super loyal, and super powered. Zan always has a plan, is super curious, and often leaps before looking. Zan and Janya activate their shape shifting powers by bumping fists. Janya can turn into any native animal species of a planet she is on and Zan can turn into any form of water. Gleek is a super smart monkey that keeps the twins together. Wendy Harris lives with her uncle Detective Harris who trained Batman. Always wants to know what's going on, figure out a mystery, and is slightly suspicious of the two new twins in school who claim to be from Norway but lack the accent. Marvin White is Wendy's best friend, a little dopey but super caring and thoughtful. He often follows Zan's lead in his scemes. Wondy is Marvin's loyal canine companion and Gleek's unofficial ride. Dentwil is mostly a con man and cheapskate who often skimps on ship reparis. Grax wants to rule the universe and often recruits different alien species to be his acolytes. He sets his sights on Earth and the Justice League. Detective Harris is no nonsense and definitely influenced Batman's bubbly personality. Jason Rusch is one of the smarter sutdents at Happy Harbor but also the dual superhero Firestorm. Courtney Whitmore is a spunky and high spirited captain of the lacrosse team is is the superhero Stargirl. Mari Jiwe MacCabe is the mean girl but is the superhero Vixen. Dolphin is the shy quiet girl on the swim team with a mysterious past. Zan may have a crush on her. Professor Carter Nicols is a sweetheart but his tastes are a little dated. He found the twins when they crash landed on Earth. The Hall of Justce is the Justice League of America's headquarters, located in Happy Harbor, and is a beacon of truth, justice, and all that. Professor Nichols lends his kids' old rooms to the twins but he hasn't redecorated for awhile. Several stories were developed. "Clean House" was about Dentwil taking on a disguise as Happy Harbor's new janitor so he can search for the twins. "A Spot of Envy" featured Janya outsining Mari in class and in every sport. The Legion of Doom villainess Cheetah appears and kidnaps Happy Harbor's top scientists forcing the girls to team up. "Kitty Kaper" features Gleek and Wondy running across a group of actual cat burglars working for Catwoman. "A Dolphin Tale" has Zan meeting Dolphin and falling in love and learning how to listen instead of barging ahead.

    Superfriends
  • Link: Jerry Gaylord instagram
  • Who: Jerry Garylord
  • Posted: August 5, 2020
  • Summary: Jerry Gaylord was involved in a Super Friends pitch. Art of Batman, Robin/Carrie Kelley, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg.
  • Link: Jerry Gaylord instagram
  • Who: Jerry Garylord
  • Posted: August 6, 2020
  • Summary: Art of Superman and Wonder Twins.
  • Link: Jerry Gaylord instagram
  • Who: Jerry Garylord
  • Posted: August 8, 2020
  • Summary: Art of Joker, Lex Luthor, and Cheetah.
  • Link: Jerry Gaylord instagram
  • Who: Jerry Garylord
  • Posted: August 10, 2020
  • Summary: Art of Reverse Flash, Sinestro, and Killer Frost.

  • Teen Titans

    Starfire
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "Rob [Hoegee] also had an idea for a story of her going back home and realizing that she had changed. That was another thing; Starfire ended up not being like all the other Tamaraneans. In some ways, she was the outsider among other Tamaraneans. On Tamaran, she wouldn't quite fit in as well as she did on earth. We realized that about all the Titans. In their own worlds, they don’t quite fit it. So that’s why them coming together as a group made so much sense. That's the spin we put on it."

    Slade
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "I think we talked about it – but it never seemed right to me. It didn't seem important. It amazes me that people are so fascinated by that. They feel that have to know who Slade is."
  • Summary: The crew talked about unmasking Slade but to Glen Murakami, it never seemed right or important.

    Wintergreen
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "We had Wintergreen in the first episode, and then we never see him again. We talked about several different things concerning Wintergreen. We were going to change that character. It just got too complicated. It was hard enough to establish Slade, that, in the end, we didn't have time for any of that Wintergreen stuff."

    Red X
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: May 2005
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "We had some extensive discussions about that when we worked on it. Ultimately, I decided it was more fun to not get in that. Glen had some ideas in mind about revealing some things. In hindsight, I do think it was a fun idea to let the audience guess."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "We went around and around and around as to who that character was. But I never thought that was important. He was such a strong visual. I don't think it's important to know who is under the mask."
  • Quote: "Yeah. We did. We actually came up with someone who it might be. But I’m not going to tell you."

    Terra
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "I think we even talked about bringing "Terra" back during the Trigon storyline. But that didn't make sense; It didn't organically work with that. I was just too many things to try and do. And y'know, I really like the character. But sometimes that alone isn't a good enough reason to bring a character back."

    Krypto
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY originally started as a Krypto story."

    Titans Tower
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "We did talk about who funded the Titans Tower."

    Bruce Wayne
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "I had an idea – really early on – about a Bruce Wayne story."

    Separated Man
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "There was an early Titans bad guy, the Separated Man. That was sorta similar to our Plasmus story. Originally, my concept was: Plasmus is a big monster, it gets separated into individual parts and then the Titans fight the individual parts. So my original drawings had the Titans fighting the individual parts… Like fighting just his hand or just his head. And then I looked back at that Separated Man story and I was like, "Oh my God. That's really similar to that first story.""

    Honey Bun
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "Derrick Wyatt wanted to use Honey Bun and Mister Twister."

    The Ant
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "We talked about the Ant."

    The Scorcher
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "We talked about using that biker character, The Scorcher. And then we realized that he’s similar to Jonny Rancid."

    Omega Men
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "Rob [Hoegee] talked about doing an Omega Men story. And we were thinking about Starfire going home and tying the Omega Men into it. But every time we talked about doing a Starfire arc, it would get absorbed into a story."

    Titans: Scissors, Paper, Stone
  • Link: Derrick Wyatt Blog
  • Posted: August 10, 2006
  • Who: Derrick Wyatt
  • Summary: Captain Thug, Dead Pretty-Boy, Witchie Poo, and Prosthetic Lass
  • Quote: "Here are some Teen Titans designs I did for fun based on Adam Warren's "Titans: Scissors, Paper, Stone" comic. I had hoped at one point that we could use them in the show sometime. There was some discussion of it, but ultimately it didn't happen."

    Season 1 "Divide and Conquer"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: September 2004
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "I originally had more in there; I was going to do something with Cinderblock using that cannon against Titans Tower. But Glen suggested pulling that out."

    Season 1 "Sum of His Parts"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: May 2005
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "There's been some cases that we had change the name. Like Fixit from SUM OF HIS PARTS was originally Psimon [a psychic villain in the comic book series]. But we thought we had changed him so much he deserved a new name. We didn't want to lose that [Psimon] character, and we didn't want to corrupt him too much."

    Season 1 "Switched"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: September 2004
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "Another interesting tidbit from that episode: We originally toyed with the idea of letting Hynden Walch do Raven's voice and Tara Strong do Starfire's voice when they switched bodies. And we tried it out in the recording session. But both those women are so talented that we couldn't tell the difference. There was only something slightly off. Hynden does a really good Raven, and Tara does a really good Starfire - so we couldn't really tell the difference. In the end, we just decided to go with the original plan."

    Season 2 "Winner Take All"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: October 2004
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "We thought about doing Jericho - but we were concerned we wouldn't have time to deal with his powers in such a short time frame. He requires a bit of explanation. Plus, with Jericho there's the sign language thing. We'd have to make sure we got that right. Who else were we looking at? We had a long list of guys. We originally had 10 and slimmed it down to 8. And we ended up doing a three-way match - which added some excitement. We had to keep it down for various reasons. We had to keep to a budget. Like the amount of voice actors and that kind of stuff, too. We had character designers about to die [laughs]. I think once we brainstormed the list of people, we let more practical concerns take over."

    Season 2 "Fractured"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: October 2004
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "Originally, we had Beast Boy speaking Japanese, but we decided it would be funnier - and easier - if he spoke backwards."

    Season 3 "Deception"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: May 2005
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "Originally, it was intended to be both Starfire and Cyborg going undercover. It actually began a lot lighter. But as a character study, we thought it worked with Cyborg a lot better. The fish-out-of-water aspect with Starfire didn't seem as interesting as the Cyborg elements. So once we used Cyborg, it made sense that Brother Blood would be the headmaster. And that would be a good way to set up his agenda for the season. So once we decided on Cyborg and then using Brother Blood, it fell into place from there."

    Season 3 "Betrothed"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Amy Wolfram
  • Quote: "Yeah, that ended up getting trimmed down. That was in the feast scene in "Betrothed." The two girls kiss Beast Boy and Cyborg and learn the language that way, and we just ended up not using that little bit."

    Season 3 "Titans East, Part 1"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: May 2005
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "We know we wanted to use Speedy and Aqualad in there. We thought about Wildebeest. But then we thought that Cyborg would be the strong guy on the team. We kicked around a number of characters. When we originally talked about doing Mas y Menos, we talked about doing a female Flash character. We thought it might be easier to create our own. And then there's discussions about whose powers complement whose."

    The Lost Episode
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 11, 2012
  • When: May 2005
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "I do remember when we were first talking about it, Glen and I had this whole idea of the Titans jumping from cereal box to cereal box. But that wasn't ultimately what Post wanted."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: November 2005
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "MOTHER MAE-EYE has a really interesting story. After Amy Wolfram, Lou Hirshorn, and Joelle Sellner so successfully did a musical number in BUNNY RAVEN, we wanted to do a whole musical episode. We ever went so far as to break the story for that one during season three. But after we talked to the guys upstairs about it, it just looked like we weren't going to be able to afford to do it. They were game, but when we looked the budget, we knew we just couldn't do it well. So we set that idea aside. But the character we originally envisioned for that episode became the inspiration for Punk Rocket - which we used in the [Post Cereal] webisode [THE LOST EPISODE]."

    Season Five
  • Link: Titansgo.net Interview
  • Posted: November 19, 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Prompt: What the original 20 episode plan was
  • Quote: "At that stage we weren't to the level of detail that would have given us specific episodes, but as I recall, we had planned to bring Slade into the storyline."
  • Quote: "Okay... here's what I wanted to do: and keep in mind that this may very well never have happened, but at least it's what I wanted to do... The BOE is not doing well in their efforts to stop the titans... making a mockery of evil... A shadow enters their hq... Mallah looks up, Rouge is shocked, Immortus flinches... Just as SLADE knocks over the brain... His canister hits the floor and shatters... Mallah scoops up the pulsating brain (just like the comic book cover). Slade calls them fools. "Let me show you how it's done". And from that point on, they're working for HIM!"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "The fifth season at one point was going to be 20 episodes. We were going to have Slade and the Brotherhood team up at one point. We didn't get to use the Brotherhood quite the way I wanted. We didn't get to use the Chief. I wanted to use him, but we just didn't have time. I wanted to bring back Robotman for another story. There was a lot of stuff we wanted to do. I do like evolving the characters and changing the characters. I wanted to bring back Thunder and Lightning. It would have been cool to bring Red Star back. Sometimes you wish certain characters were established better. It's just that, you're going so fast when you're making the episodes. Either we ran out of time or the story took us in a different direction."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "Actually, we were also told at the beginning of season five that the fifth season would be it, but it wasn't until we were finishing up the season that they started to think about ordering some more. Originally season five was going to be twenty episodes, and after Amy and I arced out a pretty ambitious twenty-episode season, they cut it back to thirteen. So we had to go back and do some changes."

    Season 5 "Homecoming, Part 1"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "We talked about it, and it would have been nice. I think Glen [Murakami] even did some designs for The Chief, but I think when it came down to it, it was an added element that complicated things too much."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "We talked about doing a fully unique opening sequence with the Hive characters. It was an early idea that was fun. We had the same idea with the Doom Patrol back in "Homecoming," but we ran out of time, so we thought it’d be cool to just have them interrupt it."

    Season 5 "Go"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "But Cyborg, in particular… I was pushing for the scene [from the comic] where he pushes the insanely high pole vault [and realizes he can no longer compete with regular humans]. We ultimately realized we wouldn't have time for that. We ended up compromising and putting him in that hooded track suit, and that would be enough. That would show the transition of him initially covering up who he is, and then later shedding it."

    Season 5 Finale
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: David Slack
  • Quote: "Originally, our big battle finale was going to be a three-parter, and it just didn't quite work in three parts, so it was really fun to do an origin episode. I think it also made sense to do it at that point; it shed light onto what was going on in the arc of season five. It went back and showed us a lot of things we were curious about."

    Season 5 "Titans Together"
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "In mine, there was a lot [of scenes cut]..Someday, maybe I can slip you the script and you can see it all. It was mostly in the final battle royal."

    Season Six
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "If we did a sixth season, we would have probably used Phobia. We would have used Mister Twister. I wanted to do another Mad Mod episode. We talked about Ravager for the sixth season, I think one concern with using her, was making it too similar to Terra. But we did talk about using her."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Amy Wolfram
  • Quote: "And had we done a sixth season, we would have definitely expanded on all these characters. Argent would have had her own Titans Tower in London."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Amy Wolfram
  • Quote: "Yeah, definitely. They wouldn't have all stayed at Titans Tower. We had this idea that there would be Titans Towers all over the world in each sector of the world. So we would keep our core five, but also expand and get to know these new characters, and have them mix and match-up. We felt that season five was like their graduation. They have sort of moved on and started to make new friends. When that happens in life, you may have a new best friend, or a new friend at work, and things like that, so it definitely would have opened up their world even more so than in the first five seasons. "
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Amy Wolfram
  • Summary: Amy Wolfram and Glen Murakami worked on a short proposal for season six called "New Teen Titans".
  • Quote: "Yep, it would be called New Teen Titans. I worked on it over the summer. It was really cool! [laughs] And it builds on what we established in season five. It was really going farther and farther with some things we were developing. Plus, now after this season, we had so many characters to explore and to work with. So that would have been a lot of fun. Glen and I did a mini-bible for it, and we had about twenty-four main characters in it. We had our Titans, plus Titans East, and the new ones we had brought in for the two-parter."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • When: December 2005/May 2006
  • Who: Amy Wolfram
  • Quote: "Well, we were working on the proposal just when season five ended. That was through the summer. And then we were just waiting to hear. Then in mid-Fall, we heard that Cartoon Network decided not to renew their option to do any more, so that was it."
  • Link: Titans Tower
  • Posted: July 15, 2012
  • Who: Glen Murakami
  • Quote: "And if we were going to do a sixth season, we talked about turning Speedy into Arsenal. It was going to be a surprise."
  • Link: Derrick Wyatt Blog
  • Posted: February 9, 2006
  • Who: Derrick Wyatt
  • Quote: "What if Teen Titans had gotten a sixth season? Well one episode discussed was none other than the return of Robin's extra-dimensional doppleganger, Larry! But this time Larry is teamed up with his super buddy, Silkie! Talk about a two-fisted tale with an extra helping of maggoty goodness."
  • Link: Titansgo.net Interview
  • Posted: November 19, 2006
  • Who: Rob Hoegee
  • Quote: "At the beginning of season five, we were told that it would be the last batch of episodes ordered. In fact, we were slated to do 20 rather than the usual 13. Amy [Wolfram] and I (along with David [Slack] and Glen [Murakami]) mapped out a pretty ambitious season arc - with 20 eps, you have that luxury. After we planned everything out, it was, "Oh, by the way, now we're only doing 13". So we had to make some serious modifications to end up where we did. We also knew that season five would be the last one. This was from the very beginning. Also the reason we ended with "Things Change". Now here's the part you want to hear about: we had almost completed the writing phase - I think I may even have been done - it was just Amy [Wolfram] finishing up TC. Sam Register at CN proposed the idea of doing a "rebranding" of the series. This was only development. By that time, I had already moved on to develop Legion of Super Heroes (remember - we were told there would be no more). I needed a new job! David [Slack] had gone to Law and Order, so the development of a possible new show went to the very capable hands of Amy [Wolfram]. Along with Glen [Murakami], and with Sam [Register]'s input, they did a proposal that was sent to the brass in Atlanta. Ultimately they declined. So in many ways, and as hard as it is to imagine, the show was never technically "cancelled". There was an 11th hour possible reprieve, but it never came to pass. Had a season 6 been a serious possibility, we wouldn't have ended season 5 the way we did. As for what a "new show" would have been, my understanding is they were planning to expand the team with all the new characters. So there you have it."
  • Link: Derrick Wyatt Formspring (dead link)
  • Posted: Before March 31, 2013
  • Who: Derrick Wyatt
  • Summary: Season 6 would have included the monster fought in "Things Change" and setting up international Titans Towers.
  • Link: Derrick Wyatt Tweet
  • Posted: August 28, 2020
  • Who: Derrick Wyatt
  • Quote: "I barely remember any season 6 design stuff. I remember working on a little ghoul kid for a London villain. I wanted to see the London tower. Still do."

  • Legion of Superheroes (Kids WB!) Season 3
  • Link: Comic Book Resources James Tucker
  • Posted: April 9, 2008
  • Who: James Tucker
  • Quote: We left it unresolved on purpose. This ending was going to bridge into the third season. And the way we leave it, Brainiac 5 has to redeem himself. So that's what he would have been doing in the third season. When we left, he has a lot to clean up. I'll put it that way! With that in mind, it ends with Brainiac 5 having to deal with the repercussions of what he did when he was evil. He'll be on a quest to redeem himself with the Legion. But he may or may not go back to the Legion. That is what we would have explored in Season 3. I don't think it was a detriment having Kel-El be added to the cast because originally the idea we pitched to the network for the second season was to introduce Mon-El because they wanted a suped-up Superman. They basically wanted a kick-ass, bad-ass Superman. I pitched an idea of a future Superman, a clone of Superman from the future, who would come back to the Legion time, to enlist their help, which is basically the flip of what we did Season 1 when we had the Legion go back to Smallville and get Superman. Of course, for third season, we were under no obligation to have him come back. We had aged Superman up. The second season happened about three years after the first one. We had our Superman actually look and feel like Superman. So we didn't really need Kel, although he probably would have showed up here or there. "Tucker also had plans to introduce fan favorites like Wildfire and Dawnstar in Season 3. " And we have given some other characters the spotlight, like Blok. He's a favorite of mine, and hopefully we would have given the girls more screen time. I had some plans for a Ferro Lad story too, where we would have introduced his twin brother.

  • Green Lantern: The Animated Series Season 2

  • Link: CBM Article
  • Posted: October 17, 2011
  • Summary: At NYCC Panel, Bruce Timm says "Maybe" to appearances by John Stewart, Guy Gardner, Kyle Rayner, and Sinestro. He later asserts that Rayner is not currently on the table to appear on the show but everyone else is on the table. Hal Jordan returns to Earth later on in the season.
  • Link: CBR Article
  • Posted: October 21, 2011
  • Summary: Bruce Timm hints if there is a season two and three, two several possible ideas discussed are "Justice League in space" and introducing more DC characters.
  • Link: The Nerd Diaries Interview
  • Posted: May 25, 2012
  • Summary: Interview with Giancarlo Volpe reveals he and Jim Krieg planned out four seasons and want to introduce all the Lantern colors and Green Lanterns from Earth.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: October 14, 2012
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals the staff has a take on Kyle Rayner but adds they need more time to be able to add him to the roster.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: October 26, 2012
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe hints there are more stories to tell about Steam Lantern.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: November 24, 2012
  • Summary: There is a planned story about Alan Scott and 'hopefully it will be revealed in a later episode.'
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Twitter
  • Posted: January 5, 2013
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe states Alan Scott is from the Anti-Matter Universe.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tumblr
  • Posted: January 22, 2013
  • Summary: Jim Krieg posts writer board for "Prisoner of Sinestro" and talks about the episode. There was a different tale conceived under the restraints Sinestro was off-limits due to the live action movie but Bruce Timm advised them to go for Sinestro. The original story might be used for a future episode.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: February 2, 2013
  • Summary: Black Hand was talked about being used on the show.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tweet
  • Posted: February 23, 2013
  • Summary: Writer Ernie Altbacker pitched using Lobo for the show.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: March 16, 2013
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was preliminary story/writing meetings for a season two before news of the show not being renewed.
  • Link: Newsarama Article
  • Posted: March 21, 2013
  • Summary: Season two concept art for Blue Lantern Razer.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: March 23, 2013:
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was some debate if Hal Jordan met Hawkman or not. It was decided it would saved for a later episode.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tweet
  • Posted: April 8, 2013
  • Summary: Jim Krieg hints in the next season there was 'a little job' for Alan Scott to do.
  • Link: Blog of Oa
  • Posted: March 17, 2014
  • Summary: One hour Green Lantern: The Animated Series retrospective with Giancarlo Volpe and Jim Krieg: what would have been in season 2 - Alan Scott, John Stewart in the first half, Kyle Rayner probably in the back half, Volpe had a take on Rayner as a Green Lantern fanboy, do more Sinestro stories, a version of Blackest Night, in broad strokes the first half was Yellow and the second half was Black, the show's body count would come to play in Blackest Night.
  • Link: Panel 2 Panel
  • Posted: March 20, 2014
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe talks Green Lantern: The Animated Series, JLA Adventures, and other shows he's worked on: did block out some of season 2 on index cards.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: September 28, 2014
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe hints Soranik Natu would have very likely appeared had the show continued.
  • Link: Fan Bros vs. Giancarlo Volpe podcast 39:38-40:37
  • Posted: February 5, 2015
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals one of the planned storylines for John Stewart involved Sinestro framing Hal Jordan. While Sinestro was doing devious things in the Green Lantern Corps, he blamed it on Jordan. Jordan would be excommunicated and go on the run as a fugitive. John Stewart was to be assigned to hunt Jordan down. Inevitably, Jordan would clear his name and with Stewart, he would confront Sinestro.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: February 9, 2015
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe hints planned storylines fugitive Hal Jordan was an 'early event'.
  • Link: Hall of Justice Episode 2, 34:18-34:31
  • Posted: June 2, 2015
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was talk of getting Phil LaMarr to reprise the role of John Stewart.
  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: June 23, 2016
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe posts an unused work in progress concept design of Arisia.

    Green Lantern: The Animated Series Video Game

  • Link: Giancarlo Volpe Tweet
  • Posted: August 14, 2014
  • Summary: Giancarlo Volpe reveals there was a Green Lantern: The Animated Series video game in the works and it would have featured the Controllers.
  • Link: Jim Krieg Tweet
  • Posted: August 16, 2014
  • Summary: Jim Krieg notes they were shown the video game in beta and it was going to be a MMORPG.

  • Justice League Action Season One

  • Link: The Podcast of Steel Episode 42
  • Posted: June 6, 2020
  • Summary: The original idea for "Unleashed" was to star Flash. Tim Sheridan wrote an episode featuring Mad Mod that was scrapped because it was too expensive to produce.

  • Movies

    New Gods
  • Link: Boyd Kirkland Interview 4/1/1998
  • Who: Boyd Kirkland
  • Quote: The "New Gods" development is a project over at Warner Feature Animation, not here. I would love to see something like that happen, and be involved with it, as I have been a long-time fan of Jack Kirby's work. I don't really know where it stands at the moment with Warner management.

  • Link: Newsarama 9/29/2016
  • What: Concept art of Mike Mignola of characters including Highfather, Metron, Scott Free, Orion, Big Barda, Female Furies, Granny Goodness, Kalibak.

  • Link: SyFy 11/13/2017
  • Quote: [Tom] Scioli claimed that Neil Gaiman himself was involved as the screenwriter for the movie, but that "unlike the Mignola drawings, the script has never surfaced".

  • Link: Back Issue #104 (2018), page 73
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: I had no involvement in that particular Fourth World development. That was with the short-lived WB Feature Animation division (Quest for Camelot, Iron GIant), I think. The feature people were a completely separate division, in a different building, even a different part of town-us lowly TV folks had literally no connection to them whatsoever. Afraid I'm a dead end.

  • Link: Back Issue #104 (2018), page 74
  • Who: Mike Mignola
  • Quote: All I remember was that we were living in downtown Portland, [Oregon,] [when I did the designs], so that means sometimes between 1996 and 2001.

  • Link: Back Issue #104 (2018), page 74
  • Who: Paul Levitz
  • Quote: It was a wonderful script by Tim Hauser, I think, and I loved Mike's work. Definitely WB's short-lived Feature Animation division.

  • Link: Back Issue #104 (2018), page 74
  • Who: Tim Hauser
  • Quote: ...script by Dan O'Bannon...script by Kirk DiMicco.

  • Link: Back Issue #104 (2018), page 74
  • Who: Tim Hauser
  • Quote: ...(Orion and Scott Free)...other, and grew up not knowing...their true natures begin to emerage. Darkseid schemed to break the pact and planned to obliterate New Genesis, but when Orion and Scott meet (after initially battling) they team (along with Big Barda) to defeat his plan and discover their true identities. I don't recall the nature of the 'machine' aspect of the plot, but the device that was intended to eliminate New Genesis was altered (with the help of Metron, perhaps), and instead, the two 'half planets' were merged into one 'whole planet' with a balance of darkness and light--and our heroes emerge as new leaders for this new, hopeful world.

  • Link: Back Issue #104 (2018), page 74
  • Who: Tim Hauser
  • Quote: We were also trying to find ways to do a project that was stylish and theatrical quality on a relatively limited budget...A DC reader much of my life, in my job, I was exploring the library of properties available to us at the time (not the Big Three) that I thought would make good standalone films that had the requisite visual storytelling aspects and a mythic feel and dramatic character arcs. I had worked at Walt Disney Feature Animation prior and was interested in sci-fi/superheroes as sort of modern fairy tales. Familiar with the Kirby comics from the '70s, the story pitch was sort of a one-shot interpretation of his many ideas and characters (no wide DCU tie-ins). Of all the DC stories we pitched as an in-house team, The New Gods consistently got the best reaction from management, so we were given a go-ahead to proceed with further development. The execs seemed to respond well to the epic Star Wars-ish nature of the concept. But the visual development gradually veered away from Kirby (sadly) as a more illustrative look got a better reaction.

    The Catwoman
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Who: Boyd Kirkland
  • Quote: I can only assume it's dead, although I've heard nothing official. About a year before the Catwoman movie came out, Warner Animation asked me if I would be interested in developing a direct-to-video Catwoman movie to be released in the wake of the live action feature. I came up with a story about Selina Kyle, based loosely on an idea I had while developing another Batman video after SubZero. They liked it, and asked me to write an outline, which I did. Then, Warner Home Video decided it had to also include the new Catwoman portrayed by Halle Berry. They sent me the script for the movie so I could see who this new Catwoman was. I had to completely rethink my story, but still managed to retain the central premise. I wrote a complete script, which portrayed how these two women meet, and discover more about themselves. It delved much deeper into the Egyptian mythology set up in the Catwoman movie. I think it would have made a pretty entertaining video. Too bad the live action film did so poorly, as that pretty much killed any chance of my script ever getting made.

    The Batman: Hush
  • Posted: March 13, 2007
  • Link: Legions of Gotham forum
  • Quote: Legions of Gotham has the exclusive look at the pitch art for a Direct to Video/DVD feature that Jeff Matsuda had wanted to make when he was working on The Batman! I don't know if you all know this, but Jeff is good friends with a certain Mr. Jeph Loeb. From day one I've been talking with Jeff about getting Hush into the series, and from day one he was hoping to do that. It never panned out, but he did dig out some great art he used to try and sway the powers that be at WB. We may have some more details on what was to be coming soon.
  • Summary: The Batman animated movie based on Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee's Hush comic run, but then it was dropped in favor of The Batman vs. Dracula.

    Teen Titans: Judas Contract
  • Link: Newsarama Post
  • When: Spring 2007
  • Summary: Marv Wolfman will write the movie.
  • Link: Titans Tower Blog Summary
  • Posted: August 1, 2007
  • Summary: Characters that will appear are Robin/Nightwing, Cyborg, Raven, Changeling, Starfire, Wonder Girl, Brother Blood, Terra, Deathstroke and Wintergreen. The Ravager will be referred to.
  • Link: WF Article
  • Summary: As of February 28, 2008, movie is placed on hold.

    Aquaman: Hero of Atlantis
  • Link: Fear Net Splash Chat
  • When: 2009
  • Posted: July 19, 2009
  • Summary: Adam Green is writing Aquaman: Hero of Atlantis this summer. It features Aquaman and Ocean Master versus the Kordax. It should be come out in 2011/2012.

    Green Arrow
  • Link: Newsarama Article
  • When: 2000s
  • Posted: February 23, 2010
  • Summary: A Green Arrow origin story script by Tab Murphy was put on the back burner a couple years ago.

    Batgirl: Year One
  • Link: Lauren Montgomery Blogspot Entry
  • When: 2008
  • Posted: March 22, 2010
  • Summary: In 2008, Lauren Montgomery pitched a movie adaptation for Batgirl: Year One but it was turned down.
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Batgirl: Year One Below is a promotional piece by director Lauren Montgomery for a pitched animated feature based on the Batgirl: Year One comic title. Montgomery pitched the idea as part of the popular DC Universe Animated Original Movie line in 2008, but the idea was ultimate nixed. "Needless to say, they were not interested in anything that did not have Superman or Batman in the leading role," said Montgomery. "It went nowhere."

    Green Lantern: First Flight Sequel
    Wonder Woman sequel
    Hush
    The Long Halloween
    Vampire Batman
  • Link: TMT Interview
  • Posted: April 25, 2010
  • Summary: are pitches or stories that have been rejected or shelved the past few years.

    R-Rated Vertigo movies
  • Link: Comic Hero News Q&A Video
  • Posted:July 30, 2010
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Summary: An R-rated movie is a hot and cold trend. There might be an announcement in the coming months. They have 2 scripts that must be rated R. Would love to adapt The Authority. When asked about a Vertigo movie, Bruce Timm replied "Maybe."
  • Link: NYCC 2010 Toon Zone Roundtable
  • Posted: October 13, 2010
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Summary: An R-Rated Vertigo script is currently shelved due to an ongoing rights issue.
  • Link: CBR Article
  • Posted: April 1, 2013
  • Summary: There are plans for animated direct-to-DVDs of the Vertigo properties.

    Untitled Green Lantern
  • Link: Comic Vine Article
  • When: 2011
  • Posted: July 23, 2011
  • Summary: Alan Burnett and Geoff Johns are working on a project related to Green Lantern.
  • Link: DC GL Panel Podcast (17:04 mark)
  • Posted: July 23, 2011
  • Summary: The project related to Green Lantern is a "very requested storyline."

    Untitled Superman
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: Below is rough design work for an untitled Superman project. Format is unknown, but the designs above are by producer James Tucker.

    Untitled Justice League Project
  • Link: World's Finest Backstage
  • Summary: The Wonder Woman design, sketched up by director/producer James Tucker in 2008/2009, was for a direct-to-video feature.

    Untitled Justice League Project
  • Link: Shannon Tindle Blog
  • Posted: April 12, 2013
  • Summary: Storyboard Artist Shannon Tindle reveals she was briefly hired to do work with Bruce Timm on a Justice League movie last year. Timm wanted a graphic interpretation of Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez's DC Comics work from the 1970s. Unfortunately, they decided not to do the project less than 24 hours after Tindle agreed to do it. However, Timm wanted to see what she would do with the characters so they let her work for a week anyway doing exploratory artwork.
  • Link: instagram
  • Summary: Bizarro
  • Link: instagram
  • Summary: Batzarro
  • Link: instagarm
  • Summary: Batman

    Plastic Man
  • Link: Cosmic Book Article
  • When: Early 2017
  • Posted: April 30, 2017
  • Summary: Kevin Smith pitched an animated Plastic Man movie to Geoff Johns.

    Static Shock
  • Link: Chris Copeland Tweet
  • When: Unknown
  • Posted: May 15, 2020
  • Summary: Chris Copeland pitched Static Shock.
  • Link: Chris Copeland Tweet
  • Posted: May 16, 2020
  • Summary: Chris and Justin Copeland worked on it and pitched it as a movie.
  • Link: Chris Copeland Tweet
  • Posted: May 18, 2020
  • Summary: Due to internal legal issues between DC, Milestone, and the creator's estate, the pitch didn't move forward.

  • DC Nation

    Dr. Fate
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: October 8, 2015
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: Dr. Fate shorts planned early on but the studio they wanted to make them wasn't interested.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: October 8, 2015
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: The studio that passed on the Dr. Fate shorts was a Scandinavian video game company that had released a distinctive side scroller at the time

    Starro the Conqueror
  • Link: Newsarama
  • Posted: March 17, 2012
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: was pitched for 'Season 2' of DC Nation

    Funky Flashman
  • Link: Lynell Forestall Twitter
  • Posted: March 5, 2014
  • Who: Lynell Forestall
  • Summary: had an idea for

    Dolphin
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: July 21, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: tried to pitch a Dolphin short. She would only speak in dolphin noises and was a lead pop singer in Atlantis
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 16, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard

    Zatanna
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: rejected pitches
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Zatanna short involved Zatanna was going to put on a magic circus benefiting orphans. Almost everyone in the DC universe shows up because of the orphans

    Bumblebee
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: rejected pitches
  • Link: Cancelled Too Soon Episode 74
  • Posted: November 23, 2017
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Revolved around how bees went missing. She shrinks and investigates. She finds a bee hive operated like a spa where Poison Ivy enslaved bees to cater to plants. It would have been 1 or 2 shorts.

    Big Barda
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: August 19, 2015
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: rejected pitches

    Superman
  • Link: Comic Book Resources
  • Posted: August 22, 2016
  • Who: Genndy Tartakovsky, Justin Thomas, Scott Wills
  • Summary: Genndy Tartakovsky, production designer Justin Thomas, and background designer Scott Wills were working on a Superman short for DC Nation but it was pulled while they were starting work on it. Wills releases two pieces of concept art from the cancelled short
  • Link: Gendy Tartakovsky instagram
  • Posted: November 25, 2020
  • Who: Genndy Tartakovsky
  • Summary: Genndy Tartakovsky releases two pieces of Superman concept art.

    Thunder and Lightning
  • Link: Big Pull Podcast ep 60
  • Who: Lynell Forestall
  • Summary: If there was a third short, their mother would have appeared. She would have no powers and still married to Black Lightning as opposed to being divorced in the comics. Forestall would have went with the idea she went back to work while he would be stay at home dad to watch over their daughters and their powers

    Super Best Friends Forever
  • Link: Lauren Faust Twitter
  • Posted: August 13, 2015
  • Who: Lauren Faust
  • Summary: 2012 series development art of Batgirl, Robin, Batman, Supergirl, Superman, Wonder Girl, and Wonder Woman.
  • Link: Lauren Faust Twitter
  • Posted: August 13, 2015
  • Who: Lauren Faust
  • Summary: Summary: Harley design
  • Link: Lauren Faust Twitter
  • Posted: August 13, 2015
  • Who: Lauren Faust
  • Summary: was going to frame Harley like Screwy Squirrel or early Daffy Duck. She was to face Wonder Girl in a battle of strategy vs. chaos

    Doom Patrol
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: July 21, 2014
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: remaining 4 Doom Patrols got shelved as a result of the year 2 mandate to make room for new shorts series.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: July 20, 2014
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: Seven were written and recorded but only three were finished

    New Teen Titans
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: August 2, 2013
  • Who: Ben Jones, Brianne Drouhard, Kirk Van Wormer
  • Summary: Drouhard designed a lot of the costumes based on Jones' idea. The short was boarded by Kirk Van Wormer, who also boarded another unaired short "Titans in 3D"
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: March 13, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Brianne Drouhard posts her first pass rough designs for Halloween costumes in an unaired New Teen Titans short.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: March 13, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Robin, Cyborg, and Silkie's costumes in the unaired New Teen Titans Halloween short were Ben Jones' idea while the rest were David Slack's.
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: June 24, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: unused Pantha design
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: June 24, 2014
  • Who: Brianne Drouhard
  • Summary: Brianne Drouhard wanted to pitch a DC short with Supergirl, Batgirl, Pantha, Starfire, and Raven chasing villains thru town, ending in a karaoke battle
  • Link: Brianne Drouhard Twitter
  • Posted: June 24, 2014
  • Summary: Brianne Drouhard's pitch was going to start with the villains teasing Wildebeast, and Pantha called in whoever was near by for help.
  • Link: Ben Jones Twitter
  • Posted: August 7, 2014
  • Who: Ben Jones
  • Summary: Ben Jones reveals the two unaired New Teen Titans shorts titles. Episode 8 was "Titans 3-D" and Episode 18 was "It's the Great Pumpkin, Garfield Logan"

    Batman 75
  • Link: AnimeSuperhero Forum post
  • Posted: August 26, 2020
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Is it public knowledge that Peter Girardi and I were planning to do a third 'Batman 75th' short, and that it was actually going to be set in the 'BATMANIME' world? It was originally supposed to be a trilogy — my retro b/w short (the past), then Darwyn's BATMAN BEYOND short (near future) and then BATMANIME (far, FAR future). But we ran out of time and bandwidth. Alas..."
  • Summary: Orignally, Bruce Timm and Peter Girardi planned to do a trilogy of shorts for Batman 75 with Hugo Strange as the recurring villain in all of them. Batman: Strange Days was "past," Batman Beyond was "future," and Batanime would have been the far, far future. Batanime was cut because it would have been difficult to do without a full-time crew so Timm convinced Girardi they should just focus on Strange Days and Batman Beyond.
  • Link: AnimeSuperhero Forum post
  • Posted: August 26, 2020
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "Did I ever publicly mention that Hugo Strange was going to be the recurring villain in all 3 shorts? Unfortunately, I don't remember what Strange's deal in the BATMAN BEYOND short was originally going to be. It was all pretty vague — it's possible we didn't have ANY firm idea what the main storyline was going to be before we brought Darwyn on board to write, storyboard and direct it."
  • Quote: "For the BATMANIME short, the idea was that Strange had become some kind of Cyber-god, kinda like Thanos after he'd absorbed the Cosmic Cube in Jim Starlin's early Captain Marvel run, and visualized as an enormous "solarized" face in the heavens like Rama Kushna in the JLU episode "Dead Reckoning". Don't think we ever got much further than that thumbnail idea."
  • Quote: "But then I got swamped boarding and art-directing the b/w short, realized the BATMANIME was going to a bear to do without a full-time dedicated crew, and as Darwyn and I started hashing out the BBEYOND storyline, we felt that it would work just fine without forcing Hugo Strange into it, and at that point I talked Peter Girardi into just focusing our energies on the first two shirts and abandoning the third (it wasn't hard). We've talked about doing the BATMANIME thing a few times since then, possibly as a Showcase short, but the stars never seem to align."
  • Link: AnimeSuperhero Forum post
  • Posted: August 27, 2020
  • Who: Bruce Timm
  • Quote: "'Strange Days' was meant to be an umbrella title for the entire trilogy (makes sense now, right?). I NEVER would have picked a 1969 Doors reference for such a retro-looking short, would have called it something that leaned more more 'Pulp / Serial Chapter' like 'Night of the Monster' or somesuch. You'll notice that it doesn't actually HAVE an on-screen title. But somehow 'Strange Days' got attached to it as a working title and stuck. Shrug."
  • Quote: "Y'know, now that you mention it, I think the original idea WAS that Strange's voice was going to start coming out of the TNBA Robot's mouth during the fight — 'We meet again, old foe, bwahahahaha', etc. He was still alive, just old and kinda decrepit like Bruce, controlling the robot from a remote location like J.J.J. and one of the Spider Slayers. But as I said, once we realized that there wasn't going to be a third chapter where the character ascended to Digital Godhood, it felt weird and almost anti-climactic to have him in the second short."
  • Quote: "So that stream-lined the story a lot, but left us without a punchy ending. Darwyn had been excited about the idea of Classic Batman fighting Terry Batman the minute we pitched it to him, so he and I started riffing off of that. I came up with the twist of all the Alternate Batmans showing up at the end (honestly, I nicked it from Warren Ellis and John Cassaday) and Darwyn instantly said 'Hell yeah, baby, we are TOTALLY doing that'. I accidentally plagiarized my own work by suggesting Terry and Bruce's last exchange, but I said it out loud only as a placeholder, as words to that effect. Darwyn said 'Why don’t we just use that?' and I said because it's a direct quote from one of our JUSTICE LEAGUE episodes and he said 'i don’t give a s***, it's f****** badass coming from Old Bruce, we should just use it' and so we did. He added that great touch of Bruce buckling on the robot's utility belt like an aged gunslinger strapping on his six-guns."
  • Summary: "Strange Days" was originally the umbrella title for the trilogy of shorts. Somehow it was attached to the one set in the past. The original idea for the Batman Beyond short was Hugo Strange's voice was going to come out of the mouth Batman robot based on the The New Batman Adventures design during the fight. Strange was old and kinda decrepit like Bruce and was controlling the robot from a remote location similar to the Spider Slayers in Marvel Comics. The alternate Batmen was swiped from Warren Ellis and John Cassaday's Planetary/Batman one shot. Timm accidentally plagiarized a line from Justice League with Terry and Bruce's final exchange in the short. Cooke added in the bit of Bruce strapping on the robot's utility belt like an aged gunslinger.